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Villeneuve also wants to adapt the second book Dune Messiah which people are calling part 3.

I'm legitimately wondering how bad could the movie possibly be.

You think they'll keep him if he's found not guilty even though more terrible info about him has come out during the trial? No way.

Not sure what Majors thought would happen here. Even if he's not found guilty of the incident he's on trial for, we now know he was violent with her before. What's his defense going to be after this, even if found innocent? "I didn't beat her up...that time".

https://people.com/jonathan-majors-appears-to-admit-physically-attacking-ex-grace-jabbari-in-text-messages-entered-into-evidence-8413470

It's not just you. Yikes.

Could you imagine a twist where they introduce a Tony variant (starring RDJ) in Secret Wars and he turns out to be a villain in league with Kang a la Superior Iron Man.? Would be cool but somehow I don't think Marvel is in a position to subvert the audience's expectations right now.

Fair enough.

But that's not who Carol is in the movies, like at all...

What did you find so objectionable about it? I actually think it's a more enjoyable movie than the original Captain Marvel (and certainly better than Love & Thunder or Quantumania).

As has been pointed out many, many times, Deadpool 3's performance won't be indicative of any wider trends for the MCU.

This is actually kind of what the MCU has become but Marvel hasn't made that clear and audiences haven't caught on yet. Instead of following the entire thing in a release/chronological order you can follow certain characters instead. Wanda and Vision: WandaVision -> Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness -> Agatha -> VisionQuest -> Young Avengers (just my speculation on the last two) Street level characters: Hawkeye -> She-Hulk -> Echo -> Daredevil Born Again Spy stuff: Falcon and the Winter Soldier -> Black Widow -> (Hawkeye) -> Cap 4 -> Thunderbolts Iron Man-adjacent: Wakanda Forever (Ironheart) -> Secret Invasion (Rhodey) -> Ironheart -> Armor Wars Kang/Avengers: Loki -> Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania -> (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness) -> Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars The Marvels: WandaVision -> Ms. Marvel -> The Marvels There's clearly overlap between "cores" but I think in a decade or so it will make a lot more sense to watch phases 4-6 like this instead of just going through it all in release order.

Cap 4 should have already been in production by the time the show ended if they wanted to keep the momentum going is what I'm saying. Or, as YM! said, have an Avengers movie featuring FalconCap come out before Cap 4. Ultimately, Marvel threw out too many unrelated projects at once which has seriously delayed any significant narrative forward momentum. And sure, we can blame covid and the strikes delaying certain projects but even if The Marvels, for example, had come out only 3 years (instead of 4) after Captain Marvel/Endgame, I think it still would have been too long of a break (especially with no new Avengers movie in between).

We've been over this. Problem a: these are TV series not movies. A large part of the GA was clearly not dedicated enough to keep up with the TV side and considering the sheer amount of content that has been put out in such a short period of time, who can blame them? Problem b: if this was phase 1-3 then we maybe would have had 7 MCU entries between WandaVision and The Marvels but we've had 19 entries (19!) since. You don't see how easy it is for casual audience to forget about a supporting character that appeared 19 projects ago? Nobody is saying that characters should haphazardly appear in random projects to maintain audience interest. But how about having logically interrelated projects come out closer together? Black Widow and Falcon and the Winter Soldier both came out in 2021. Ideally, Cap 4 and Thunderbolts should have been out in 2022. 2023 at the latest. But now they're both coming out in 2025, 4 years later. Ironheart should be out right now (one year after Wakanda Forever), not in another 2 years as is currently planned. We had WandaVision in 2021 and Multiverse of Madness in 2022. Good. But why wasn't Agatha out in late 2022? Why do we still not have a date for a Scarlet Witch movie or Visionquest? I could go on and on. But it never used to feel like homework because one movie naturally flowed into the next and there were less of them in total.

Whether it's logistically possible is a different matter entirely. I'm just pointing out that this was a big part of MCU's success that is now missing. The lack of yearly (or even biyearly) character appearances is one of the reasons why The Marvels bombed as badly as it did and it will play a big part in future movies like Cap 4, Thunderbolts and Armor Wars bombing as well.

How? Three Cap movies and four Avengers movies. Are Avengers characters appearing in an Avengers movie considered cameos now? Chris Evans appearing in one scene of Thor The Dark World is a cameo (and I didn't list it for that reason)..

This is disingenuous and you know it. Phases 1-3 built up a core cast year after year (they weren't cameos).. Post-Endgame hasn't done that and the audience has lost interest. And the problem with The Marvels isn't the inclusion of Kamala and Monica. The problem is that those characters were introduced in a different medium. Monica is especially problematic because she was a side character in the first MCU TV series back in 2021 and Marvel expected the general audience to remember her 3 years and 19 MCU entries later. Similarly, Carol hadn't appeared in any meaningful way since Endgame.

It clearly does (see The Marvels). A lot of people have accurately pinpointed one of the biggest problems that the post-Endgame MCU has - newly introduced characters don't appear again for several years and by the time they do people have lost interest. Compare that to phases 1-3. Iron Man appeared in 2008 2010 2012 2013 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Captain America appeared in 2011 2012 2014 2015 2016 2018 2019 Thor appeared in 2011 2012 2013 2015 2017 2018 2019 Black Widow appeared in 2010 2012 2014 2015 2016 2018 2019 Doctor Strange appeared in 2016 2017 2018 2019 Ant-man appeared in 2015 2016 2018 2019 The Guardians appeared in 2014 2017 2018 2019 Would the MCU have been nearly as successful as it was if we only saw each of these characters every 3 years? I don't think so.

Just found the perfect gif to use when Aquaman OW numbers come in.

That's the trouble with a lot of post-Endgame projects. Ironheart is supposed to come out September 2025, 3 years after Wakanda Forever.

Of course, that's assuming that Christmas legs for CBMs (and movies in general) are still on par with what we're used to. I wouldn't be surprised if even some Christmas releases begin to collapse in the coming years.

The first Aquaman opened to only 67M domestic and ended up with 335M. So 50M would actually be a solid opening for the sequel considering the climate we're in right now.

Too high. According to tracking Aquaman OW will end up in the high teens or low-mid 20s.

Yeah, it's Marvel's Suicide Squad. What's funny is that they're even making the same mistake with the villain that DC did. They're pitting a bunch of supersoldiers against a demigod (Sentry) who should be able to pulverize them all with ease.

Thunderbolts has two things going against it. It brings together characters that by the time this releases haven't appeared for 3-7 years and the set-up for the film, including the introduction of US Agent, happened in a Disney+ show that came out 4 years ago. It seemingly faces the same hurdles that The Marvels did. And we know how that ended up.