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1 hour ago, Deja23 said:
There’s so much wrong with this episode, but I’ll forever be annoyed at the way Cersei died. Why didn’t Dany just torch the tower she was in? Gah! I’d have preferred her to die by dragon fire than infrastructure cradled by her brother/lover. Oh well. Can’t wait for the last episode so it can all be over with.
Admittedly, it was a spectacle of an episode. If The Battle of Winterfell had issues with lighting, this one made everything almost too visible. It was great to finally see what a dragon could do. And the acting was great for the most part, outside of Euron the annoying prick. So yeah, they delivered a spectacular episode, it just also happened to be ridiculous.
Right? Sandor was the one that should have died in Arya's arms, knowing someone loved him finally for who he was, while Cersei is the one who is killed, alone, for being the evil monster she is.
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1 hour ago, captainwondyful said:
I hope HBO is stupid enough to do one final SDCC panel for the show. That public tar and feathering's gonna be LIT.
They have one way they can save face. I can understand they had a contract with Benioff and Weiss, and maybe part of that contract was they had total complete control of all production values and demanded no studio interference. And now with word of spinoffs, one of them will be true ending of GOT and that these last couple of seasons were just bad dreams from Bran, or Tyrion or someone. But if not, then yeah, HBO deserves everything they got coming. I have never, ever subscribed to HBO in my life. I started to get into the show because of my cousin, but decided one day I really wanted to watch it at home in my leisure, so I finally subscribed a year ago to HBO Go. I am definitely pissed off enough to go ahead and cancel my subscription.
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22 hours ago, DAR said:
Make no mistake, the audience is not screaming at the cast and crew (if anything, the cast has already mentioned let down by this season themselves. Both Kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke have said they were disappointed with how things ended for their characters, and Maise Williams has now come out and said Arya should not have been the one to take down the Night King.
Our anger is directed at the showrunners because we feel they are sabotaging the show on purpose for whatever reason. Good think there are spinoffs in the works. Maybe one of them includes the real ending of this show and that season 8 was just a bad vision Bran had.
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On 5/9/2019 at 10:37 AM, Lordmandeep said:
Looks like Rian Johnson is writing the script
Welllll, Benioff and Weiss are going to be joining the Disney empire to make new Star Wars stuff, plus there was that curious photo of George Lucas visiting the set of GOT. Seriously, it's like we are seeing the Game of Movie Studios playing under our very own eyes, and Disney is paying off Benioff and Weiss to sabotage HBO's biggest hit (don't forget, Disney is also after HBO's parent company, Time Warner for their interest in HULU.)
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10 hours ago, Lordmandeep said:
I wonder if Episode 3, Season 8 is the episode that turned a portion of the fan base against the show?
Well, for starters, they were touting this to be the greatest battle ever seen on screen. I was expecting something like Helm's Deep, but with dragons in the mix. Instead, I got something I can barely see. Helm's Deep had a battle in the night, with a storm going on, and everything was visually stunning. This, I can hardly see shit. I was looking forward to that fight Arya has with her new weapon, and well, I can barely make sense of it. I also wanted to see some good ass sword fights. We had warriors on that field with Valerian steel. It would have been nice to see them take on the White Walker generals one by one. Jon Snow is supposed to be the main leader, and yet, he doesn't do shit. Would it kill them to at least have him take down the Wight dragon?
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On 5/6/2019 at 2:03 AM, A Panda of Ice and Fire said:
Lmao have you paid attention at all to th show?
Arya’s character has never wanted to be lady of a castle, which was what Gendry was asking of her.
And you really think Gendry is going to be a proper lord of that castle with no formal training? Give me a break.
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1 hour ago, Ozymandias said:
im just still watching for Cleganebowl, please dont fuck that up GOT, can you at least do that?
They will. I am sure of it.
I just find it absolutely stunning how a group of showrunners have been given some of the most complex characters and story delivered them on a silver platter. Fans letting everyone know what they want. Actors who enjoy their roles, and these same showrunners manage to take it all, and run it to the ground. And for what? Why?
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7 minutes ago, PDC1987 said:
As if Oscars are indicative of quality?
I am hardly a fan of Titanic. I do prefer End Game over Titanic, but, I will admit that Titanic is the superior film in terms of quality and did earn it's accolades. Titanic, most dominating movie of it's time, and also had the most dominating soundtrack of it's time. End Game is a good movie, but it's soundtrack will be no where near the legendary status of Titanic, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves or Bodyguard were.
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6 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:
And he's respectfully critiqued Tolkien's more simplistic good vs. evil themes many times over. This is a deconstruction, a totally different beast. It's like complaining how we did not get an epic battle sequence at the end of Watchmen, hence it was anticlimactic as it didn't follow superhero story norms.
If that is what he got from LOTR, then all of my book club friends are right about GRRM, he is a fool who doesn't think before he speaks. The stories were originally written because Tolkein wanted some kind of fantasy for England. But even then, his stories aren't about good vs evil. It's about how evil comes about because it seduces the good people with temptations and it's up to them to choose the right path. The problems didn't stop once the ring was destroyed. Anyone who reads LOTR knows this to be true when the hobbits ride back home and the Scouring of the Shire takes place.
Anyways, I always took the GOT stories that there was a war going on between good Gods and bad Gods (God of death, Lord of Light) and they have their key players, but the God of death is winning because it's taking on the traditional divide and conquer technique. Everyone is battling over a stupid chair, killing eachother, and ignoring the fact they have an invasion coming from the north made up of ice and wights, and an invasion coming from the south made up of fire. Basically, I am taking the phrase "Game of Thrones" as a red herring.
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1 hour ago, Spidey Freak said:
Or maybe the point of the story is to show that humanity is its own worst enemy and not some made up boogeyman like the NK? It would be poignant if more lives were lost due to Cersei's ruthlessness in the last 3 episodes than during The Long Night.
Again, this is a high fantasy deconstruction, not traditional high fantasy. Don't be shocked to see if some "Chosen Ones" never get their "chance to shine", that's kind of the point.
Actually, I will be pissed. and where was that the point? GRRM says he was inspired by LOTR, so we as fans are expecting more or less, a similar outcome. Just an R-Rated version of it. If the chosen ones don't do something heroic or the story leads to their victory, expect GOT to go down in history as one of the worst shows/books of all time. Started out great, but then became a dud, just like Lost.
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3 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:
GRRM Forever: This has never been a story about good vs. evil
Show For First 7 Seasons: This has never been a story about good vs. evil
*Show does away with the one-dimensional dark force before the finale, abruptly, at the hands of a person who's been training since the beginning of the show*
Some Fans: ...it's almost as if this isn't a story about good vs. evil
Has nothing to do with a story about good vs evil. It has everything to do with a good story period. Scenes that are so dark that you can barely make sense with what is going is one of the big ones. I watch movies/TV shows to see the stuff of imaginations. If I wanted my imagination to fill in the black spots of the screen, then I would read a book.
Second, there should have been more deaths. At least Sam and Brienne should have died. Maybe Podrick, Gilly and the baby too.
And again, we wanted to see our heroes in kick ass fights, which has always been a highlight for the show. Bronn vs the Knight of the Vale, Hound vs Beric and Hound vs Brienne. Jon vs Tanner or the White Walkers, Dany vs Warlocks, Ned vs Sir Arthur Dayne. And well, it would have been thrilling to see one on one battles of the warriors with Varleryian steel against the White Walker generals. I would rather have that then the stupid dragon flying scenes. One of the biggest complaints is that Arya appeared out of nowhere, but yet in an earlier scene it shown the wights are alerted to a simple blood drop on a wooden floor. This is a very good thing to point out and complain. Arya is not a superwoman, and she shouldn't have been able to get past all of those White Walkers unscathed. It would have been more believable if all of the warriors with Valeryian steel were fighting one on one the White Walker generals, and that would have been a good way for them to be distracted so Arya could make her move. But now we have producers at HBO trying to say that Jon sees her and he is distracting the wight dragon so she can get to Bran, yelling at her to "go, go, go!" It still doesn't explain how she got past the Generals. And well, if you have to explain something after the episode is done, then you didn't do a good job conveying your story. Did these guys ever heard of test screenings, where random people are taken off the streets to watch a show or movie and seeing what will work or not, that way they have time to fix what isn't working? I hope the next episode highlights how things went to make more sense of it all, but I don't have much faith in these producers anymore.
Look, I have seen some very die hard Game of Thrones fans try to defend this, but then come back and admit this episode kind of sucks. It was too dark, and the characters were dumb and everything was done because it looked cool. When a die hard youtuber like Talking Thrones is left underwhelmed (and he is about as optimistic as they come) you know something went wrong.
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On 4/30/2019 at 6:54 AM, Valonqar said:
Arya's big moment and Zombie Lyanna leaked 4 months ago but not by Frikileaks so fans didn't believe it. Now they are revising that leak cause there's more that hasn't happened yet.
@Jonan23 That and also you don't make everyone useless and stupid just to prop one character. I think that the episode would go over much better if everyone got something memorable to do (everyone being main characters) so that it wasn't just for Arya fans. cause right now, the only fans that are uncritically happy with the whole thing are Arya fans and it should have been that everyone was happy how it turned out including Jon fans accepting that Arya taking out NK was the right thing. But they didn't execute it well.
Example of good execution is IW, IMO. The movie was building up to Thor creating a weapon that would destroy Thanos. Everyone was given something memorable to do (minus Quill's emotionally charged stupidity) and Thor arrivals in wakanda changed the course of the battle. Good guys are now winning. then we get the shocking Hell yeah moment when Stormbreaker logs into Thanos chest. But he's protected by the stones so "next time aim for the head...snap". So what happened didn't undermine Thor. he didn't kill Thanos not because he was stupid or whatever but because Thanos is legit hard to kill thanks to the stones. You can't kill him in a battle. you can't assassinate him. you just can't.
However, what Long Night did wrong is that it literally rendered the biggest army ever assembled pointless cause the only way to take NK out was assassination, and easy one at that. so when you watch the episode, you wonder why the heck Dothraki had to charge the zombies, etc and why they didn't just take Bran somewhere farther from Winterfell and have Arya with him to sneak upon NK at the right moment since it wasn't hard at all. that would have saved lives. Mind you, this isn't just Long Night's problem. It was Knight of the Seven Kingdom's too. When Bran told everyone that NK knew where he was, many people were, like, than why are you endangering everyone at Winterfell? Like, that little shit could have told them long time ago, move the fuck out, and redirect NK interest elsewhere. So lots of stupid leading up to the big battle that didn't have to happen cause you couldn't take him (and everyone else) out without a stealth assassination.
Now instead of having an episode that holds up, it falls apart the more you think about it and drags other stuff on the show with it, leaving only one specific fandom satisfied cause they literally only care about the big moment and not about shit surrounding it.
Arya is my favorite character, and I am not happy at all with how this episode went down. I don't care if she took the Night King out or not, but like you said, everyone should have had a chance to shine. And what better way than with our main warriors who have Valerian steel going one on one with the White Walker generals. And, I see no reason whatsoever why Jon could have at least kill the wight dragon. Jon has been propped up as the most important person in this war, and in the final battle, he didn't do shit but hide behind a rock. Seriously, why not let him climb a wall and come down onto Viserion and drive his sword right into the beasts head!
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14 minutes ago, MrPink said:
Kind of funny. Robb ultimately lost his battle when he was surprised attack by his own banner men......
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52 minutes ago, Valonqar said:
but but Iron Throne.
that's really it.
Now it is. He did however managed to gather the Wildlings and those South of the Wall to fight for a common cause. Eh, I still think in the beginning, he was meant for great things, but, I have this sinking feeling that HBO has gone full woke and wants the women to be the big heroes in the end. Jon's and Bran's stories be damned.
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1 hour ago, HeadShot said:
This should have been the plot imo.
Ep. 3 - Jon and Arya but they manage to take out the Night King ala Lyanna mormont. Arya is to OP and should have been killed. She can kill Cersei o easily.
Ep. 4 - Sansa takes the title Queen of the North. Dany having lost almost all of her army in the battle of winterfell makes a deal with Sansa. She tells her that the North will be independent if she helps her take the throne and kill Cersei.
Ep.5 - Big battle in King's Landing. Cersei and Dany both die. And in a plot twist no one expected - Sansa takes the throne. How poetic and amazing would that be. The same girl that lost her father in the 1.st season and lost her entire family killed is now the Queen of the 7 realms. No one would have expected it. And she would have earned it by being smart and learning through out the entire show.
Ep. 6- The aftermath of the battle.. Wrapping character stories up.
If this doesn't happen, then the show is truly lost. Just look at the main sigils that surround the phrase "GAME OF THRONES" They are house Baratheon, Lannister, Targaryen and Stark. House Targaryen has already had their time on the throne, but then they were defeated and Baratheon took the throne for a time. After he dies and the war of the throne is waged, a Lannister now holds the throne and even puts the Lion in the window behind the throne. Only house to never sit on the throne has been house Stark, and who better than Sansa who has already shown to be a good ruler and tactician (she did win Battle of the Bastards, not Jon). I would say she even has a part to play in many of Cersei's prophecies. She easily gave up her chance to be queen to Margery, and that sent the ball in motion that would end up having all of Cersei's children die. Jamie starts his road to redemption by giving the tools Brienne would need, and it was so he can full fill his pledge to Lady Catelyn to make sure her daughters are safe. That's two things that Cersei holds dear that Sansa is in some way, setting the stages to take away. I can see it being her tactics that helps Jon and Dany defeat Cersei once and for all, but I do believe both will die (Jon from battle wounds and Dany in child birth?) but before Jon dies, I can see him passing his heir to Sansa, who he has already shown utmost trust in when he gave her the keys to Winterfell. I won't be surprised if Cersei tries to kill Sansa and either Jaimie or Tyrion come in and kill Cersei to save Sansa.
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1 hour ago, A Panda of Ice and Fire said:
Now that I had a night to digest everything
I thought the episode was brilliantly well made, I was on the edge of my seat the entire way through, and I see no point in criticizing the plot line until I see the full season’s plot line.
The NK’s demise was perfectly believable given Arya’s entire arc has been about death. And honestly, the way that episode was going, either the NK was going to die or the entire cast besides Cersei was going to die. It’d have been bad writing to have the main characters randomly choose to retreat Winterfell, or have the NK skip Winterfell entirely.
Kind of confused that it’s gotten some massive hate but I reckon an ending that’s been theorized and built up for 10 years (and more for book readers) can’t please everyone.
My main disappointment is with how nothing really has come out of Bran. Especially since his arc has always been about the WWs.
Actually, it's not. His visions are more on Jon's true parentage than anything else. Watch all of his visions. I also think what we seen happen with his involvement with Hordor will repeat itself with the Mad King "burn them all, burn them all!" But that is the thing, his visions are centered around Jon, and not Arya at all. I hate saying this, but I do think Jon was supposed to be the one to take down the Night King, but HBO has decided to go all feminist these past few years and now made the producers of GOT make all the women be the heroes and the men useless.
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3 hours ago, Lordmandeep said:
seems like the episode is very divisive amoung GOT fans...
I think this is the opposite of Endgame.
As a standalone episode it is really good just that 8 seasons of buildup and the bad guys just all die lol
Uh, I think you are mistaken about EndGame not being divisive among fans. I went to the movie twice, and the ending had more people like "WTF" than cheering and clapping. I seriously think both franchises are ending a bit underwhelming.
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2 hours ago, Lordmandeep said:
what I find funny is did Arya do some 50 foot jump over the army of the dead lol
How do we not know she found a passage way to the tree and just climb up in it, to the branches and then jump off the tree onto the Night King? Thanks to the first 3ER, we know there are passages underneath the trees, and thanks to Maester Luwin, we know there are secret passages under the castle put there by Brandon the Builder, same guy who helped put up the wall.
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12 hours ago, Valonqar said:
Thank you. I saw when Beric received the first stab and Arya was helping him and then freeze. Did he have last words or just died? when the stream resumed, Mel was already talking to Arya.
this is brilliant:
BTW, Arya was the only one protecting her family out of all Starks. she gave Sansa the weapon. She couldn't leave Bran (which was telegraphed in previous episode). Like, when you think about it, Jon took Theon and Ironborn for granted but Arya was, like, nope, that's my little brother. they always had a strong bond in season 1 so I dig it that they picked it up this way. I see complaints that NK wasn't her antagonist but Jon's which is wrong, actually. NK was Bran's antagonist. since bran couldn't take him out, it's right that his sibling who loves him the most did it to save him.
LMAO, reactions! some people are in tears over NK going down in one episode. they are still hoping that he will return for the battle of KL lolololololololol.
Still, they sure hyped up Jon for no reason. They could of at least let him kill the Ice Dragon for crying out loud. It would have been epic to see him jump from Rheagal and onto the Ice Dragon's head and plunge Claw deep into it's skull, taking him out. But nope.
Really, again, what is the point of Jon? Sansa won the battle of the Bastards, not him. Only thing good he's done is give Arya needle in the beginning, which started the path she would eventually follow, but again, other than that? What else?
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2 hours ago, The Futurist said:
I'm actually more stunned that it's made something like 1.2 billion in it's first weekend. This has to be unprecedented for sure.
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5 hours ago, DAR said:
I’ll point out again it’s possible to see Endgame and watch GOT this weekend. This isn’t an all or nothing situation
I watched Endgame twice already, (Thursday night at 10:45 and Saturday evening at 6:30), and I still managed to do my yard, take my pets to the vet, get the car a tune up, cook my meals for the week and made a lovely Sunday Chicken Madeira dinner, and I am now watching Ant-Man on TV, which will end at 8PM, then that is when I plan on switching to HBO to watch last week's episode again, and then the new one there after.
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33 minutes ago, GirafficPark said:
This again. It will get as many viewers worldwide this weekend as EG will.
This is true. It was pirated a billion times.
It's why I wished HBO would decide to have a marathon of some sorts in the theaters in the future. I would love to see Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards on the big screen.
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36 minutes ago, Box Office Freak said:
I wonder why it's so hard to make a cinematic universe stick. What's the secret sauce? Is it RDJ
He is no doubt, one of the reasons. Main thing I took from both MCU and DC, is that in the beginning, DC is very bland, and has no character to it. MCU has fun with it's movies. Like it or not, but Tony Stark, Thor, Peter Quill, Peter Parker and Rocket all have real personalities that are very engaging. Captain America- he is a stoic character, but his movies are balanced out by either Tommy Lee Jone's, Scarlet Johansson or Anthony Mackie who give it some fun. Same with Black Panther, he too is very stoic, but it's balanced out by Shuri and even M'Baku who also ended up being a fan favorite. BVS and Justice League was filled with stoic characters, so it made the movies lackluster. It's why people think DC might have hit it's stride with Aquaman and Shazam, characters that are more charismatic and fun to watch, and they are surrounded by a good cast.
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Uh, I think this season pretty much did destroy the legacy starting with episode 3. Jon Snow was being painted as this big hero throughout the series, and well, he's been a complete dud this season.