MovieMan89

Exactly. CW's performance isn't that out of character based on the pattern for third movies in the sub franchises.

WDAS/Pixar Thanksgiving opener multis this decade: Frozen: 4.25x Moana: 3.02x Tangled: 2.94x The Good Dinosaur: 2.23x Considering Tangled and Moana both got strong WOM, Coco will have to have very exceptional WOM to go above 215m.

Moana DOM is more than a high enough target for Coco to be aiming for. That will require very good legs since the 5 day is 11m lower.

Now that I've realized AoU will adjust to about 500m by 2018 prices, I'm even more confident IW can hit that if it's good.

In all seriousness though, I can't see any upcoming MCU film having even the slightest chance of being rotten. You'd think something would break the streak eventually though.

It was a team up Captain America film, which is what raised the ceiling on what it otherwise would have been, but still not an Avengers films. And I disagree it was marketed as one. The tone of the marketing and the film itself was quite different from the TA films and more in line with the CA films. And it was a heroes v heroes film like BvS, again different than what the Avengers films are. If nothing else, the name alone doesn't carry the widespread appeal of an Avengers film, because the title was still Captain America. Even changing it to Captain America vs Iron Man may have added some bucks to the BO.

I think it's better to look at MCU within sub-franchises opposed to trying to use the franchise as a whole to base predictions. So in other words, the prior Avengers films should be the basis for predicting IW. It's stupid to compare something like CW to IW because it was a part of the Captain America sub franchise, and therefore the ceiling for it should have always been lower than the ceiling for an Avengers film. After all, AoU didn't have some huge drop off in its OW from TA. Mediocre reception compared to universal audience praise for the first certainly played a big part in why it fell off as much as it did. The ceiling for Avengers films is still quite large - as evidenced by a ho hum Avengers film making close to 500m by IW ticket prices - IW just has to deliver more than AoU did.

1. Infinity War - $650m 2. Black Panther - $415m 3. Jurassic World 2 - $400m 4. Mary Poppins Returns - $380m 5. Incredibles 2 - $375m 6. Deadpool 2 - $335m 7. The Grinch - $290m 8. Solo - $270m 9. Fantastic Beasts 2 - $245m 10. Ant Man and the Wasp - $240m

At least it's back in the animation medium where the story belongs. That gives me far more hope at least where quality is concerned than that Jim Carrey mess that became the highest grossing film of 2000 by some nightmarish twist of reality.

One thing that worried me since I saw it is that I don't know if I think it's going to go over great with younger kids (9 and under). Not sure how much they will get out of it, I feel like the themes and overall ability to enjoy it are on a more mature level than your average animated film or even your average Pixar film. Then again, Ratatouille is one of Pixar's most mature and had a crazy multi. Also, the Mexican culture aspect just might not carry as much widespread appeal unfortunately.

MJ2's second weekend multi would get JL to 230m off of a 40m weekend. Except MJ2 dropped 49% its second weekend not 57%. Can't see JL going any higher than 220 now.

It's kind of amazing how much the DCEU costume designs and character looks don't sync up at all with the general color palette and aesthetic of an MCU film, even in the posters. They all look wildly out of place on that poster.

Anymore I'm starting to feel like IW is the most underpredicted movie on the whole forum. You'd think people would know better than to doubt MCU at this point, especially after this year.

Eh, GotG2 would be a more worthy BP nominee than a host of films that actually have gotten the nom in the past. The completely ridiculous FYC ad from Disney is the BatB one.

Yuck at these updated numbers. Bring back the ones from earlier!

The Frozen short was absolutely insufferable for those of us that were never big fans of the film. Even for those that are, I can't imagine anyone outside of the true diehards being particularly fond of it.

I think TS4 should've been pushed even further back to the beginning of next decade. It is kind of a cool idea in some ways if they were to do a TS movie per decade, kind of gives each gen of kids their own TS film.

I've just always loved that WDA has traditionally steered clear of sequels and would like for them to go back to that following Frozen 2. It just feels more true to the brand of a WDA feature. I'm fine with Pixar being a mix of originals/sequels, especially since they've established that as their brand and do it fairly well with the exception of the Cars franchise.

My bigger concern is with WDA and sequels. With Gigantic being cancelled and all the murmurs of Zootopia 2 since shortly after it released, I'm very worried they're falling into a nasty rut where they're just going to want to make sequels to the 2010-2016 Revival films. I can see Zootopia 2 and Tangled 2 being their next films after WiR2 and Frozen 2, and then we could head right into *shudders* Frozen 3 from there.

Frozen 2 was unavoidable no matter what sadly. There was just no way the big wigs weren't going to demand it happen after what Frozen was in the pop culture landscape. So I'll give them a pass for it, even though I really hate that it has to exist over an original feature. WiR has always been one of the few WDA films that felt like it was made to have a sequel, much like Incredibles always did. But I wish now it would have been delayed a few years down the pipeline for something original first. I have never been on board with Zootopia 2. Feels completely unnecessary and doesn't need to happen just because the first one was a huge hit anymore than a theatrical sequel to something like The Lion King needed to happen. There should legitimately be a "sequel ban" for both studios following 2019, and no more before the middle of next decade. Even though I know better than to think that will actually happen.

After Zootopia, Moana, and now this in the last year and a half, it actually makes me angry to realize both WDAS and Pixar have nothing but sequels on their slate now. Granted I'm very excited for two of those four sequels, but the last two years proved that both studios really shine in quality and at the box office with original ideas. Sequels should take a backseat, not the other way around. This is made even more troubling by the prospect that there's a good chance Zootopia 2 and Inside Out 2 could be the next films announced from each studio. Really hope neither happens, or at least not for a long time yet.

I legit thought it was a biopic on Lady Bird Johnson from the title and had zero interest in it based on that. So I wonder if other audiences are thinking the same.

Wow, between that and Mexico this could be shaping up to have a pretty massive OS run.

Great Friday numbers for Coco, Thor, and Wonder. Coco might come pretty close to Moana's first weekend in spite of an OD 2m lower. Bodes well for legs. Thor can probably hit 320-325 now with that hold this weekend. Would finish with 316m if it follows DS, but it's having a stronger Thanksgiving weekend hold than that and I expect the holds to continue to be stronger than DS from here on out. JLol...womp womp womp.

This wasn't as flawlessly crafted as Pixar's best - there are some pacing issues with both of the first two acts - but the third act is triumphantly executed and overall it ends up having the strongest heart at its center of any Pixar film since TS3. As such, it is easily my favorite of theirs since TS3. The land of the dead is absolutely stunning and gives this some of the best visuals in animation history. I can definitely buy those reports that it's the second most expensive animated film ever made because it certainly looks like it is.