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54 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Only thing you need to set up is Doom, and that you can do in the Doomsday film itsefl.

Exactly. The setup for IW was largely getting to know characters and their stories. IW does all the hard lifting itself, only setup is a post credit in Thor Ragnarok. Everything happens in the movie. I just think given how well it all went with every movie before being well received it has created an illusion that there was some grand setup in the movies before. But it really wasn´t. 

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1 hour ago, dudalb said:

We all know too many people think exactly that. And have similar thoughts about .

If this thread is still(?) ongoing, I'll simply say the goofy nature of all of this discourse is that you can get people say the exact opposite "core" conclusion (political/not political) if you simply flip the cultural signifiers about whether it's virtuous or viscous because the conversation is really all about the second or third order implication of granting or countering a claim of "politicalness". That includes the basic framing of the issues/everyone else's accusations. 

It's actually easy to make thin or thick definitions of "political" apply or not apply to a vast number of cultural works especially if at some level there's a sense that there's a claim about spreading values. Messiness is inherent in this sort of genre of conversation. These conversations are often "what person A (speaker) thinks person B (critic/protestor) thinks person C (creator) is doing"

 

 

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1 hour ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

If this thread is still(?) ongoing, I'll simply say the goofy nature of all of this discourse is that you can get people say the exact opposite "core" conclusion (political/not political) if you simply flip the cultural signifiers about whether it's virtuous or viscous because the conversation is really all about the second or third order implication of granting or countering a claim of "politicalness". That includes the basic framing of the issues/everyone else's accusations. 

It's actually easy to make thin or thick definitions of "political" apply or not apply to a vast number of cultural works especially if at some level there's a sense that there's a claim about spreading values. Messiness is inherent in this sort of genre of conversation. These conversations are often "what person A (speaker) thinks person B (critic/protestor) thinks person C (creator) is doing"

 

 

I was thinking more like pure bigotry then anything else.

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53 minutes ago, dudalb said:

I was thinking more like pure bigotry then anything else.

For what it’s worth, Marvel has been very much so progressive and political since its very inception in 1941.

 

We all live in the house that Jack Kirby, Joe Simon and Stan Lee have built.

 

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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/7849/captain_america_comics_1941_1

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1 minute ago, SpiderByte said:

The Ironheart and Daredevil trailers also leaked. They look good!

Daredevil was a given that it would be amazing but Ironheart’s trailer is legit fire. Genuinely surprised by it. So happy to see Ryan Coogler going all in with this. 

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