Jack Nevada Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 In 2010 they were experimenting with the ten nominee system, District 9 getting in was a fluke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sims Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 In 2010 they were experimenting with the ten nominee system, District 9 getting in was a fluke It got nominations for both its screenplay and its editing, and it had a good amount of precursor support. People knew that either it or Star Trek was getting in. It probably wouldn't have gotten in under the 5% rule, but it likely got more votes than The Blind Side at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) So far none have been worthy this year Well exactly what makes indie movies worthy? You're telling me that The Avengers wasn't as "deep" or "profound" as Lincoln or Silver Linings Playbook? Don't get me wrong - I loved both of those movies, but there's no denying The Avengers was a critical hit that should have gotten a Best Picture nod - not a win, but a nod. Joss Whedon should have gotten a Best Director nod over Spielberg since he had the tougher job by far! Same with Deathly Hallows Pt. 2 - that was the Best Picture of 2011, not a Singin' in the Rain knockoff... sure they had Help in there, but a 96% and an 8.8 on RT should have given Potter his Oscar due finally!! was Snow White (1937) mediocre, and just couldn't compare to "The Life of Emilia Zota"? was Gentleman's Agreement (1947) - typical Oscar bait movie - a better film than Miracle on 34th Street - a superb crowd-pleasing Christmas movie - by default? was The Apartment better than Psycho? My Fair Lady over Mary Poppins, Goldfinger, and Dr. Strangelove? was Annie Hall better than Star Wars? Was Gandhi more deserving of BP over ET? Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark? No Ghostbusters or Beverly Hills Cop in 1984, but Amadeus was good apparently? How did Out of Africa beat Back to the Future for a nod?!? Aliens, Ferris Bueller, and Stand by Me just couldn't make the cut against... more movies no one has ever seen? Were Die Hard, Big, and Roger Rabbit not good enough for a BP nod? Because Ghost got one in 1990 and it was mediocre! Aladdin didn't get a BP nod Lion King was robbed of one by something called "Quiz Show"? What?!? How did Braveheart beat Toy Story? The Truman Show wasn't cut out for BP? Finding Nemo and The Incredibles BP worthy? Slumdog over TDK and Wall-E? The Hurt Locker over Up? Or Star Trek? Or District 9? Avatar shouldn't have been nominated thou - maybe for a couple Razzies but no best acting, writing, directing, or best picture-related awards! The King's Speech was a bland, formulaic melodrama and it beat out the far superior Toy Story 3 and Inception - I'd give them 10 Oscars before Colin Firth got one stuttering for 2 hours isn't great acting, it makes me think of Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder Seriously though, aside from LOTR, Forrest Gump, Gladiator, and Titanic, I don't think blockbusters get near what they're due! Why is making tons of money considered a crutch when it comes to Oscars? Edited July 5, 2013 by mahnamahna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Nevada Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 It got nominations for both its screenplay and its editing, and it had a good amount of precursor support. People knew that either it or Star Trek was getting in. It probably wouldn't have gotten in under the 5% rule, but it likely got more votes than The Blind Side at least. Forgot about the screenplay nomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Well exactly what makes indie movies worthy? You're telling me that The Avengers wasn't as "deep" or "profound" as Lincoln or Silver Linings Playbook? Don't get me wrong - I loved both of those movies, but there's no denying The Avengers was a critical hit that should have gotten a Best Picture nod - not a win, but a nod. Joss Whedon should have gotten a Best Director nod over Spielberg since he had the tougher job by far! Same with Deathly Hallows Pt. 2 - that was the Best Picture of 2011, not a Singin' in the Rain knockoff... sure they had Help in there, but a 96% and an 8.8 on RT should have given Potter his Oscar due finally!! No was Snow White (1937) mediocre, and just couldn't compare to "The Life of Emilia Zota"? Yes was Gentleman's Agreement (1947) - typical Oscar bait movie - a better film than Miracle on 34th Street - a superb crowd-pleasing Christmas movie - by default? Absolutely. Gentleman's Agreement was what the country needed was The Apartment better than Psycho? No. But both are amazing My Fair Lady over Mary Poppins, Goldfinger, and Dr. Strangelove? No. was Annie Hall better than Star Wars? Duh. Quintessential Woody Was Gandhi more deserving of BP over ET? Yes Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark? Yes No Ghostbusters or Beverly Hills Cop in 1984, but Amadeus was good apparently? Huh? Amadeus is one of the all time greatest films How did Out of Africa beat Back to the Future for a nod?!? Because it was Sydney Pollock Aliens, Ferris Bueller, and Stand by Me just couldn't make the cut against... more movies no one has ever seen? People obviously have seen them. Just because they weren't as widely seen as other movies doesn't mean that no one's seen them. Pictures like Kramer vs. Kramer actually made really good money Were Die Hard, Big, and Roger Rabbit not good enough for a BP nod? Absolutely not. Because Ghost got one in 1990 and it was mediocre! Aladdin didn't get a BP nod Well this one's a little bit sad Lion King was robbed of one by something called "Quiz Show"? What?!? Right decision to snub Lion King How did Braveheart beat Toy Story? Cus Toy Story wasn't nominated The Truman Show wasn't cut out for BP? Nope. Not at all. Finding Nemo and The Incredibles BP worthy? Belch. Barf. Spew. Slumdog over TDK and Wall-E? Maybe not Wall-E but TDK absolutely. The Hurt Locker over Up? Or Star Trek? Or District 9? Avatar shouldn't have been nominated thou - maybe for a couple Razzies but no best acting, writing, directing, or best picture-related awards! Hurt Locker was amazing. beat the crap out of all the other films The King's Speech was a bland, formulaic melodrama and it beat out the far superior Toy Story 3 and Inception - I'd give them 10 Oscars before Colin Firth got one stuttering for 2 hours isn't great acting, it makes me think of Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder The King's Speech was the best film of the year. Seriously though, aside from LOTR, Forrest Gump, Gladiator, and Titanic, I don't think blockbusters get near what they're due! Why is making tons of money considered a crutch when it comes to Oscars? It's not. BP winners used to make tons of money. The GA's taste has just gone wayward and down the drain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blankments Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Wait, ric doesn't like Truman Show? WHAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 No. I am not saying it is likely at all. I just think it probably has the best chance out of all the Summer blockbusters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Umm... or the Academy has become more snobbish? Avengers, DH2, Star Trek 1 & 2, the Toy Story Trilogy, TDK trilogy, Up, Finding Nemo, Spider-Man 2, Bourne Ultimatum, Tangled, The Incredibles, WALL-E, Ratatouille, Monsters Inc, Elf, LOTR trilogy, Casino Royale & Skyfall, Lincoln, Wreck it Ralph, Meet the Parents, There's Something About Mary, Scream, Lion King, Aladdin, Despicable Me 1 & 2, Inception, Iron Man, The Green Mile, Saving Private Ryan, Jurassic Park, The Sixth Sense, The Matrix, POTC 1, Cast Away, Prisoner of Azkaban, A Bug's Life, Sleepless in Seattle, Groundhog Day, Clueless, Anchorman, Shrek 1 & 2, Bridesmaids, District 9, Inglorious Basterds, Django Unchained, Les Miserables, The Help, Life of Pi, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Mission Impossible IV, How to Train Your Dragon, Rango, and Fast Five? All great box office hits from the last 20 years... I don't see what's "wayward" about em.Theyre all great, popular, crowd pleasing films which got good to excellent reviews. People still like good movies - the bad ones usually don't top the year, aside from Avatar, Spider-Man 3, and POTC 2. It's usually a great movie that is #1 for the year. TDK, Shrek 2, and The Avengers were all great movies with buzz, WOM and earth shattering box office results. Film critics and the Academy are too much like Anton Ego - they've forgotten how to simply enjoy a movie. They can't imagine a true blockbuster ever being BP of the year. Edited July 6, 2013 by mahnamahna 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luna Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Umm... or the Academy has become more snobbish? Avengers, DH2, Star Trek 1 & 2, the Toy Story Trilogy, TDK trilogy, Up, Finding Nemo, Spider-Man 2, Bourne Ultimatum, Tangled, The Incredibles, WALL-E, Ratatouille, Monsters Inc, Elf, LOTR trilogy, Casino Royale & Skyfall, Lincoln, Wreck it Ralph, Meet the Parents, There's Something About Mary, Scream, Lion King, Aladdin, Despicable Me 1 & 2, Inception, Iron Man, The Green Mile, Saving Private Ryan, Jurassic Park, The Sixth Sense, The Matrix, POTC 1, Cast Away, Prisoner of Azkaban, A Bug's Life, Sleepless in Seattle, Groundhog Day, Clueless, Anchorman, Shrek 1 & 2, Bridesmaids, District 9, Inglorious Basterds, Django Unchained, Les Miserables, The Help, Life of Pi, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Mission Impossible IV, How to Train Your Dragon, Rango, and Fast Five? All great box office hits from the last 20 years... I don't see what's "wayward" about em. i've seen the bolded. of those, i consider dark knight and anchorman to be properly great movies...and only just. in fact, movies like slumdog millionaire and the king's speech are academy fodder precisely because they're more popular than those esoteric foreign movies nobody sees. the academy is typically pretty mainstream with its choices - certainly more so than proper film snobs. okay, annie hall wasn't the hit star wars was, but woody allen is hardly hidden away in the corners of your mum's micro-indie film studio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 i've seen the bolded. of those, i consider dark knight and anchorman to be properly great movies...and only just.in fact, movies like slumdog millionaire and the king's speech are academy fodder precisely because they're more popular than those esoteric foreign movies nobody sees. the academy is typically pretty mainstream with its choices - certainly more so than proper film snobs. okay, annie hall wasn't the hit star wars was, but woody allen is hardly hidden away in the corners of your mum's micro-indie film studio.Yeah I suppose so but Slumdog was a surprise hit - no one thought it was gonna do well at all. But I agree - Midnight is Paris is his best film IMO because it doesn't have him whining about life - just a thought provoking high concept character study. But you didn't think LOTR, Toy Story, Nemo, Avengers, Shrek, or Up were great? Wow you're a tough critic but you love TDK and Anchorman so I can forgive that I'm someone who can enjoy any film though - I just tend to like more mainstream films. I just don't see how King's Speech is better than Toy Story 3 or Inception or how Slumdog is better than TDK or Wall-E. I know indies and prestige pics can be the best pic of the year sometimes but so can blockbusters too! I just want some balance I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieman Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Well exactly what makes indie movies worthy? You're telling me that The Avengers wasn't as "deep" or "profound" as Lincoln or Silver Linings Playbook? Don't get me wrong - I loved both of those movies, but there's no denying The Avengers was a critical hit that should have gotten a Best Picture nod - not a win, but a nod. Joss Whedon should have gotten a Best Director nod over Spielberg since he had the tougher job by far! YES, YES I AM TELLING YOU THAT. The Avengers was fun from what i remember but it was nothing moving or profound. No it should definitely not have been nominated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieman Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) Well exactly what makes indie movies worthy? You're telling me that The Avengers wasn't as "deep" or "profound" as Lincoln or Silver Linings Playbook? Don't get me wrong - I loved both of those movies, but there's no denying The Avengers was a critical hit that should have gotten a Best Picture nod - not a win, but a nod. Joss Whedon should have gotten a Best Director nod over Spielberg since he had the tougher job by far! Same with Deathly Hallows Pt. 2 - that was the Best Picture of 2011, not a Singin' in the Rain knockoff... sure they had Help in there, but a 96% and an 8.8 on RT should have given Potter his Oscar due finally!! was Snow White (1937) mediocre, and just couldn't compare to "The Life of Emilia Zota"? A big error on the Academy's part but animation was probably not taken too seriously by them at this point was Gentleman's Agreement (1947) - typical Oscar bait movie - a better film than Miracle on 34th Street - a superb crowd-pleasing Christmas movie - by default? Is a nomination not good enough? was The Apartment better than Psycho? Yes and also less edgy which is important with the Academy hence it's win My Fair Lady over Mary Poppins, Goldfinger, and Dr. Strangelove? It was a HUGE box office success and Dr. Strangelove was not was Annie Hall better than Star Wars? Was Gandhi more deserving of BP over ET? Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark? No Ghostbusters or Beverly Hills Cop in 1984, but Amadeus was good apparently? CANNOT BELIEVE THIS! Ghostbusters and BHC are fine action movies but C'MON Amadeus is amazingly good. One of the best BP winners of all time. How did Out of Africa beat Back to the Future for a nod?!? Because it's an epic period piece. That's why it got nominated. Aliens, Ferris Bueller, and Stand by Me just couldn't make the cut against... more movies no one has ever seen? They were seen but we are talking about older people without the same tastes as fanboys. Were Die Hard, Big, and Roger Rabbit not good enough for a BP nod? RR was good enough but the others were not. It won a ton of Oscars anyway. Because Ghost got one in 1990 and it was mediocre! Aladdin didn't get a BP nod It's good but it's not great. Lion King was robbed of one by something called "Quiz Show"? What?!? Quiz Show is great. How did Braveheart beat Toy Story? The Truman Show wasn't cut out for BP? SPR and SIL were big blockbuster movies. Finding Nemo and The Incredibles BP worthy? No, I found FN to be really great as a child but too slight as an older teen. Slumdog over TDK and Wall-E? The Hurt Locker over Up? Or Star Trek? Or District 9? Avatar shouldn't have been nominated thou - maybe for a couple Razzies but no best acting, writing, directing, or best picture-related awards! The King's Speech was a bland, formulaic melodrama and it beat out the far superior Toy Story 3 and Inception - I'd give them 10 Oscars before Colin Firth got one stuttering for 2 hours isn't great acting, it makes me think of Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder BUT YOU ALSO COMPLAIN WHEN BLOCKBUSTERS GET NOMINATED! Seriously though, aside from LOTR, Forrest Gump, Gladiator, and Titanic, I don't think blockbusters get near what they're due! Why is making tons of money considered a crutch when it comes to Oscars? Edited July 7, 2013 by pieman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Avatar was a terrible movie - it's the kind of blockbuster that SHOULDN'T get nominated. It made me furious that a mediocre piece of enviromentalist tripe with some good 3D effects was considered a BP front-runner while TDK and WALL-E both got the shaft yet they both should have been BP front-runners the year before. I also would say Network or All the President's Men should have won Best Picture over Rocky - I seriously have no idea why it was given a nod lol. I don't necessarily think movies need to be deep or profound to be the Best Picture of a given year. Granted some deep films truly were the Best Picture of their year (Schindler's List, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the first two Godfathers, Silence of the Lambs, Casablanca, arguably Best Years of Our Lives) but I've noticed that the timeless and classic movies of all-time tend to be escapist. I simply don't understand how a BP winner can't be fun - Return of the King, Annie Hall, and It Happened One Night are probably the only remotely fun films to ever win BP. I know plenty of blockbusters won back in the 90s - but Shakespeare in Love was a costume drama: not even close to a blockbuster. Forrest Gump, Titanic, Braveheart, Unforgiven, Dances With Wolves and Silence of the Lambs were the blockbuster winners. But if you look at the last 15 years, only 2 blockbusters have won (Gladiator, LOTR - Return of the King) and if it weren't for the Oscar nods, most Best Picture winners wouldn't even get close to $100 million. Lincoln, The Help and The Blind Side are all exceptions but those had great WOM, not just Oscar buzz. My point is that the Academy relegates blockbusters to effects awards (which usually go to some prestige pic half of the time) while terrible movies like The Reader and The Iron Lady sweep acting awards (both have rotten ratings on RT while Avengers has a 93%) Honestly, The Avengers spoke to more people in its opening weekend than I reckon Silver Linings Playbook ever will. It was a good movie but it doesn't have the emotional punch of Avengers or Toy Story 3 or countless other great blockbusters I've seen in my life. Jennifer Lawrence and Robert DeNiro are what make it good. Bradley Cooper was just unconvincing as a mentally ill guy - Zach Galifanakis or Will Ferrell would have both worked better as a crazy guy who thinks his ex-wife still loves him. And you saying Out of Africa is an epic period piece is the exact bias I'm talking about - it's automatically considered better by Academy voters simply because it's a 180-200 minute period piece with Meryl Streep and Robert Redford... yet it's a terrible movie! Ask the majority of straight men who have been subjected to the overlong chick flick. BTTF isn't better because it's a blockbuster - it's better because of its writing, its story, its acting, its directing, its pacing, its effects, its tone... they all make it the BP of 1985. What movie are people still watching almost 30 years later? Hint: it's not the pompous costume drama. I find it appaling that someone actually thinks being an epic period piece makes something a great film yet being a sci-fi flick disqualifies it from being Oscar-worthy. Thankfully, this bias will go away as more and more voters born from 1985 to 2000 join the Academy - maybe then Pixar, Christopher Nolan, and other popular blockbusters in years to come will get the Oscar recognition they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilusha Bandara Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If there is only one thing that i hate about the Academy, that is about the unfair judgement against The Dark Knight!!! All the Academy members who voted for Slumdog over The Dark Knight will be Cursed forever!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Does anyone really think Iron Man 3 or Star Trek 2 were on the same level as The Avengers and The Dark Knight? If you're going to complain about big-budget tentpoles not getting their due, this isn't the year to do it. Edited July 10, 2013 by tribefan695 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Does anyone really think Iron Man 3 or Star Trek 2 were on the same level as The Avengers and The Dark Knight? If you're going to complain about big-budget tentpoles not getting their due, this isn't the year to do it.I wasnt talking about them - I don't think any blockbusters this year should be nominated for an Oscar except maybe Elysium (depends on reviews) Edited July 10, 2013 by mahnamahna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If there is only one thing that i hate about the Academy, that is about the unfair judgement against The Dark Knight!!! All the Academy members who voted for Slumdog over The Dark Knight will be Cursed forever!!!!!! Agreed... TDK was really a crime thriller with a superhero. It didn't feel like a comic book movie - to this day, I'm impressed it made so much despite being a 150 minute crime drama. WALL-E should have gotten a BP nod too. But what makes me mad is that The Reader (62 on RT!! Spider Man 3 got that!!!!) and Frost/Nixon both got mediocre reviews while Benjamin Button's said it was just "good" yet WallE and TDK both got huge praise and they weren't good enough for BP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChD Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I agree with The Hurt Locker and The King's Speech being brilliant movies. They deserved. I also agree with the fact that Harry Potter should've been nominated for more than it was. Or at least win some special effects... but no. If it's not Lord of the Rings, it gets no Oscars... That's how it works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sims Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I was always more upset that WALL-E missed out than I was about TDK (though both certainly were in my Top 5 of the year). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yeah Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman and Ralph Fiennes should have gotten a nod for their roles Oldman for Prisoner of AzkabanRickman and Fiennes for Deathly Hallows Pt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
