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    The Disney Thread | Iger will be with us until 2026

    in Box Office Discussion

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    2 hours ago, scytheavatar said:

     

    Why is it worrisome that the 3rd place company in the console gaming market ends up being....... still 3rd place after the merger? There was zero legal basis for stopping the merger from day 1 cause there was zero anti trust issues being involved. You can't stop a merger just because you don't like big companies. An Apple/Disney merger though is on a different scale cause Disney IS the market leader.

     

    Finally Apple will be the market leader in something then.

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    The Disney Thread | Iger will be with us until 2026

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    2 hours ago, excel1 said:

    Lose the "all or nothing" attitude. Everyone will have wins and losses. Some wins are just so huge that offset numerous loss, and sometimes its the opposite. BB and Iger had such large wins that people whining about smaller losses look very foolish.

     

    What a weird way to try to insulate some people from criticism. But business is a lot like football in one way: the past wins count for something but it's much more about what you have done LATELY. 

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    The Disney Thread | Iger will be with us until 2026

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    13 minutes ago, excel1 said:

     

    Die-hard Pats fan here going back to the 1980s. I'm sorry but this is one of the absolute dumbest arguments in all of sports. I know so many love thinking like a worker bee that they're almost incapable of seeing the high level big picture like a CEO, but these people must learn to see the forrest for the trees. The impact of any one player, even the QB, in football is so divided. Football is such a team oriented game that even the QB cannot simply win a game outright ala LeBron taking over a basketball game. 

     

    "BB's record without TB is terrible". What an utterly ridiculous argument. Why do people hold it against Bill Belichick that he 1) discovered, 2) opt to play, and 3) developed Tom Brady for 20 seasons? Bill Belichick gets to claim credit for the wins accumulated 2001-2019 too because he is the one who picked and developed Brady from complete obscurity to begin with. Brady wasn't playing defense of special teams. Tom's offense scored 10 total points in their first Super Bowl win, for gods sake. Plenty of other elite QB talents played in 2001-2020, but none of their teams were as consistently great in all 3 phases of the games due to draft issues, free agency issues, coaching issues, you name. Tom Brady was, obviously, not a top 5 QB 2001-2004. There were a number of better QBs than him in the NFL and this was common knowledge. He was borderline top 5 2005-2006 and consensus top 5 2007-onwards, coinciding with the arrival of insane scoring weapon and the NFL's premier game changing in Randy Moss follows quickly by GOAT tight end talent Gronk.

     

    Slide Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck and a handful others onto the Pats 2001-2020 and they will win all 6 Super Bowls. Slide absolutely anyone else into that HC/GM role for the period and we 100% do not win 6 Super Bowls, end of discussion. 

     

    "You think BB's gonna win a superbowl with Mac Jones?". Well no doubt Mac Jones could win a super bowl on that 2001 or 2003 Pats team. The others? A better question would be - are the Pats going to be able build as strong of a unit around him as the ones Brady had in 2004, 2014, 2016, or 2018.

     

    Tying this to Disney - this is equivalent of saying "Iger didn't actually direct or star in the Marvel films, so he doesn't get any credit for their existence. Iger's record outside of Marvel, Lucas, Pixar, and 20th Century Fox is not good, so therefore he must be bad". Yeah, except it was Iger's fucking idea to go and get those companies, and they generated insane amounts of money through all of their revenue streams. He was the top facilitator, he gets the credit. End of story. 

     

    Dumb is dumb. 

     

    Interesting. So let me get this straight. TB is only elite cause he had Randy Moss for a couple years and Gronk as his TE AND BB? 'Cause you know, TB didn't work hard to overcome his own limitations, learned the game better than anyone playing QB, and just didn't have the natural talent (he has a way better arm than Mac Jones). He got overlooked in the draft process but it was clear in 2001 that in training camp he was the better QB (but y'know, they were paying Bledsoe a lot).

     

    TB went to Tampa Bay and won a superbowl. Meanwhile BB can't even get DeAndre Hopkins to sign now and can't drag WRs worth shit. Interesting you wanna praise BB but sorry in the last few years, BB has been pretty bad outside defense: and despite those elite defenses, we've been struggling since you know, an offense that can't consistently score or come back from behind ain't gonna win in today's NFL. Hiring Matt Patricia/Joe Judge to run the offense was always going to end in disaster just like Iger's Disney+ project he saddled on to Chapek.

     

    Yeah, Iger bought Fox, Marvel, Lucas, Pixar. But he also has made critical mistakes including making Disney way too dependent on pre-existing IPs. 

    The Disney Thread | Iger will be with us until 2026

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    2 hours ago, excel1 said:

     

    LOL how can one even pretend to compare Fisher resume in NFL (1 lost super bowl) to Iger's in media?

     

     

     

    Tom Brady as we know him does not exist without Bill Belichick drafting him, betting his entire coaching career on Brady's ability over Drew Bledsoe, and the surrounding him with premiere defensive talent / solid offensive support while Brady's level of play ascended 2001-2006. The defense was also the strength on 3 of their 6 Super Bowl teams (01, 03, 18) and equal in 2004. Brady wasn't even a clear cut top 5 QB until Randy Moss arrived. And frankly, I could have thrown touchdowns to Randy Moss.

     

    Belichick's decisions on who to play, who to draft, and how to prepare for games won them 6 Super Bowls. Is what it is. NOBODY else in Earth, not even Tom Brady's parents, are starting him over Drew Bledsoe in mid 2001 if they're the NE head coach. BB spotted the biggest diamond ever in the roughest of roughs. 

     

    Uh-huh.

     

    Look I'm a big Pats fan. But Belichik's record without Tom Brady is a lot less stellar as head coach. You think BB's gonna win a superbowl with Mac Jones? Hahaha. I fucking wish.

     

    No, really, I want another Superbowl win. I hate sucking. 😭

    TOM CRUISE LOVES HIS POPCORN. MOVIES. POPCORN: THE WEEKEND THREAD | We are just waiting for Barbenheimer here

    in Numbers and Data

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    1 minute ago, filmlover said:

    btw ngl I'm actually sort of excited to see what movie marketing during the SAG strike era looks like. Feels like a lot of marketing tactics that used to be a part of the promotion like billboards had largely lost their relevancy once social media fully took over, it would be cool to see those make a comeback.

     

    Movie billboards went away? I never stopped seeing them. 

    The Disney Thread | Iger will be with us until 2026

    in Box Office Discussion

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    7 minutes ago, excel1 said:

     

    This stuff saying Iger is terrible is akin to NFL fans occasionally whining "Bill Belichick is a bad coach" etc. 

     

    If Iger became available, he would the most pursued media executive in decades. 

     

    Iger is not Bill Belichik. He's more Jeff Fischer. 

     

    Sure he'd be very pursued by other media companies. He'll give you short term strength at the cost of long term health. Like most business executives. 

    TOM CRUISE LOVES HIS POPCORN. MOVIES. POPCORN: THE WEEKEND THREAD | We are just waiting for Barbenheimer here

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    Just now, filmlover said:

    Luckily Killers has Leo front and center lol so they don't need to worry about him not promoting it if the strike is still going by the fall. The movie already did the big splashy world premiere thing back in May at Cannes and its trailer is attached before MI7 (got it at my showing yesterday) so it's not like it's currently hurting in terms of awareness anyway.

     

    But if they don't have Leo going on Jimmy Fallon and being like "come see my new movie out THIS WEEK!" 

     

    Cannes means nothing to the GA. MI7 trailer helps sure but like EVERY movie has a trailer and they play before big movies. 

     

    It's not awareness that really matters here. All the movies being released by major studios will have some level of awareness unless they like dump it with little marketing. It's the reminder the movie is coming out that weekend.

     

    My dad was like "what movie are you seeing this week?" Told him Mission Impossible. His reply? "Oh, right. I forgot that movie existed. It's this weekend, huh?" 

     

    And my dad has liked every single MI movie and wants to see this one. 

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    TOM CRUISE LOVES HIS POPCORN. MOVIES. POPCORN: THE WEEKEND THREAD | We are just waiting for Barbenheimer here

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    10 minutes ago, FunkMiller said:

    Am I going mad here, or should everyone be riding Mission Impossible a hell of lot harder given its three day was under Indy 5's with the same budget?

     

    Fallout opened to $61 million domestically. Ended up with $220 million domestic, $571 international, $791 million worldwide. If Dead Recknoning has similar legs and similar performance...

     

    6 minutes ago, FunkMiller said:

     

    Yeah, fair play. It'll still struggle to make much of a profit on that budget.

     

    It will make a profit. 

     

    19 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

    Next month movies will be fine 

     

    There’s tons of promotional material with the cast shot prior strike for all Haunted Mansion, Meg, TMNT and Gran Turismo 

     

    Heck, even Haunting in Venice already shot some promotional with cast before the strike iirc, they’re just holding it

     

    Sure but like there's only so much pre-packaged promo material can do. Like, yeah those will help. But I think the box office is being hurt RIGHT NOW and that was with actors being able to do some promotion because so many of the traditional avenues of getting WOM out have been shut down. 

     

    Like MI: Dead Recknoning Part One will be fine. It'll make back it's money more than likely and make a good profit for the studio. But I do think it was hurt by the lack of late night show promotion and such. 

     

    10 minutes ago, filmlover said:

    The sequels and IP-dependent titles (ala Kraven the Hunter, Wonka, The Color Purple, etc.) as well as the pricey star-driven dramas (Killers of the Flower Moon, Napoleon) will all stay since they're the ones that will do the heavy lifting at the box office regardless of whether the stars can promote them or not (though most - all? - of them already shot cast promotional material before July 13 that will be released during the weeks leading up to the opening dates), but I doubt stuff like Dumb Money or poor cursed Next Goal Wins will release this year if the stars are unable to hit the red carpets for those splashy festival premieres.

     

    Not convinced Killers of the Flower Moon or Napoleon will do well TBH. But we'll see. i do think "pricey star driven dramas" will definitely be hurt by the stars not promoting it though. Kinda hard to be driven by stars when the stars be on strike. 

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    TOM CRUISE LOVES HIS POPCORN. MOVIES. POPCORN: THE WEEKEND THREAD | We are just waiting for Barbenheimer here

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    I wonder at what point are studios going to realize that the WGA strike (and now SAG) is hurting all their box office runs. 

     

    There's no boycott or anything but I think MI would have done better it's first week if you had Tom Cruise on late night shows reminding the GA about the movie.

     

    (I think Barbie/Oppenheimer will do well but other than that, is anyone gonna be confident for future summer releases? lol)

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

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    7 minutes ago, DInky said:

    I guess I've completely missed the discussion (I'm not very active on social media) where people suggest that the way to solve these strikes is to lower production budgets. That's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that in some cases the high budgets are a symptom of the industry not valuing the screenwriters and the script writing process which causes issues later down the line.

     

    Secondly, production budgets and big name actors' salaries have always been reported on, there's nothing new about that. And of course the budgets of super-expensive TV series get reported on more often because those stories get more eyeballs.

     

    Production budgets are reported on but they are usually guesses and I would take them with a grain of salt.

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