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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    2 hours ago, 21C said:

    I was thinking about it and I think there's a very good chance the AMPTP does let this thing drag out until the next year. 

    As far as  I understand, the way the AMPTP works is that all of the companies in question need to agree before any deal gets made. And the problem the current landscape is facing is the fact that some of the companies involved have some very very very different priorities. 

    I know the line of thinking that "Well they can't actually hold out until January because then their shareholders will question them and then they'll panic" and the thing is that may be true for some companies, but not all.

    WBD, Disney, Sony, Paramount, Universal probably do want this thing ended by October or something like that. But Netflix, Amazon and Apple?

    Netflix has a lot invested in international content, they also have a lot invested on reality TV and all their highest performing shows are still legacy shows that have been around for ages. The password sharing crackdown and the ad-tier has also seemingly had an effect on boosting up their revenues that seems like it could probably weather the storm of the strike for quite a while. 

    And Amazon and Apple... those 2 are particularly dangerous because the entertainment business is not yet a core business for either of them. Prime Video is  still adjacent to Amazon Prime, which is still gonna pull in numbers regardless of the amount of content they have coming out or not, and Apple TV is still in its infancy and not yet a crucial part of the overall Apple infrastructure at all. The shareholders of both Amazon and Apple are not gonna be paying much attention to whatever is happening on those parts of their corporations because it's not a priority for them at all, probably not even top 3.  So those ones can afford to hold for probably an egregious amount of time that the other studios can't; but as long as they hold it doesn't matter because the AMPTP can't approve a deal without them.

    Maybe there can be a scenario where WBD/Disney/Sony/Paramount/Universal can make deals on their own, but I don't know, that's highly dependant on what their agreement as a collective with the AMPTP is and how costly it'd be for them to break apart from their collective bargaining agreement.

     

    You can lump Sony in with Amazon/Apple/Netflix. 

     

    Even then, if WBD/Disney/Paramount/Universal really want a deal, they are going to put immense pressure on the other companies. For instance, sure Prime will bring in numbers. Until WBD/Disney/Paramount/Universal threaten to pull their libraries. (Same a bit with Apple, Netflix, and I think Sony sells movies/TV shows as well). And it's for the most part pressure that's one-sided. 

     

    I mean the strike might very well last until next year. But let's not get ahead of ourselves here. 

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    The Disney Thread | Iger will be with us until 2026

    in Box Office Discussion

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    28 minutes ago, rebelscum86 said:

     

    Fortunately other people don't operate according to your views. 1/2 the audience is gone and they don't trust future projects. They aren't going to trust future projects until Disney assures them they won't keep doing the things that lost them.

     

    TLJ Domestic: $620 million

    Rise of Skywalker Domestic: $515 million

     

    That's not 1/2. 

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    Look I just saw a shitty movie called Supernova. It's from 2000 and was a massive as hell bomb. c. $14 million box office on a $60-90 million budget. Very troubled production with multiple directors. It only came out cause for some reason Francis Ford Coppola swept in and finished editing it. 10% on rotten tomatoes. Nobody was under any illusion it was any good. 

     

    Did MGM ever make it's budget back? Between whatever it's home video sales were, syndication, and now letting it be on Prime...who knows?

     

    But hey. It's there. on Amazon Prime, not tucked away as a tax deductible.

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said:


    For argument’s sake, let’s say it was released and got a Catwoman-esque reception and run. With its budget, it probably loses 20m or so theatrically and ends up grinding into profitability after awhile with ancillary revenue. Not ideal, of course, but hardly some giant disaster. Even stuff that’s widely regarded as campy trash often finds an audience on video. And let’s face it, WB has had no problem giving huge releases to lousy DC movies before. 

     

    Or since then either.

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    2 hours ago, 21C said:

    It is not a strawman dude. Where the hell do you think their salaries come from? It comes from the budget of these films and TV shows. It's an objective fact that if the 10 million an actor gets paid for a project instead got distributed amongst cast and crew, said cast and crew would have significantly better pays on those productions. 

     

     

    Except the studio won't distribute that 10 million. It'll just keep it. It's part of the budget to entice the big star to sign into the movie. No big star or big star is cheap, no need to put that as part of the budget.

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, Maggie said:

    Really? The whole industry is shutting down because of background.small actors?   I find that hard to believe. It's about the medium/big name actors imo feeling they're not getting enough of the pie with the new reality like Netflix and all the streaming.

     

    Yes. They voted to strike. And if only the medium (who aren't paid as well as you think) and big actors had voted to strike, they wouldn't be able to strike. Cause they wouldn't have the majority vote without the small/background actors.

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    18 minutes ago, Maggie said:

    I'm gonna get hell for this, but actors in HW are freakin overpaid. To see them strike is crazy and people on twitter crying for these actors is even more insane. Yes, i'm talking about medium and big actors, not some cameos or small actors who appear on an episode on a show.

     

    And these overpaid actors want more, i'm pretty sure these big and medium actors are fighting for their interest, they don't care about a small time actor who got their SAG card because he appeared sometime ago on a show. That's not what they're fighting for

     

    The vast majority of actors striking are the cameo/small actors/background actors. And yes the strike is largely about them: that's why they will be striking. 'Cause the compensation increase the strike is asking for is about them, and won't impact how much actors like Tom Cruise can ask for.

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

    AVOD is a platform where I think advertisers can start demanding streaming numbers and companies will have to show them because they're not paywalled which is why while not a gamechanger does flip the narrative.

     

    Originals on AVOD are more atune to broadcast, you only have to look at Judy Justice on Freevee and also Neighbours, the Australian soap which was brought back by Freevee. You'll probably see gameshows and cheaper content but not huge scale dramas like Rings of Power which is fine, not everyone wants to watch that sort of show. 

     

    I mean I want to see Rings of Power but I also want to see shows like Parenthood or Chuck or Smallville or The Mentalist or even comedies like Parks and Recreation and yeah even multi-cam comedies.

     

    Jury Duty was pretty good on freevee. And yet it's leaving Amazon?

    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Jonwo said:

    I think for Disney, subscription made sense because those classic titles and other IPs are very valuable. I'm not sure if you could do an AVOD Disney+ unless you put lesser and older content on that and the premium content behind a paywall. 

     

    AVOD is something I've been tracking and to me, I think that's the future of broadcast and not SVODs. The quality of the content and originals aren't great but for a free service, people will be more than happy.

     

     

     

    I think we'll end up with a few SVODs (like 2 or 3 maybe 4) and a bunch more AVODs. and the quality of originals for AVOD will likely increase to what was the ABC/CBS/CW/FOX/NBC level for better or worse.

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    1 minute ago, lab276 said:

    I’m just not sure how you can get the general public on board with fair compensation of not just creatives but everyone below the line. How do you get people who are in the habit of paying $15 or whatever a month for all content, or worse, downloading things illegally for free, to pay the fair cost what it takes to actually produce the art? 

     

    That's why you had ads. Hate them but they can pay the bills.

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    WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted

    1 minute ago, lab276 said:

    Studios should probably have gone all in on Netflix rather than starting their own streaming services. 

     

    I think going after their own streaming services was smart. Locking them behind a sub fee instead of going ad supported was IMO the problem. (Yeah peacock has it's free component but it locked originals and a lot of content behind a paywall).

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