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Correction: the Lorax was a very good movie. So there's no reason Brave shouldn't be able to reach the mark.
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Yes, our previous discussion was simply by an inch (Rat, Wall-E) or a mile (Up, Cars)?
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If you check the link--it's Question number 12 on their list.
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http://www.hitfix.com/galleries/15-big-movie-questions-for-summer-prometheus-dark-knight-tyler-perry#12 Hope this was new--Rotten Tomatoes listed Brave in its Questions for the Summer article. Can 'Brave' crack the magic $200 million mark? Everything was going so well for Pixar until last summer's "Cars 2" hit one speed bump after another: lukewarm to negative reviews made it the first ever "rotten" Pixar movie on Rotten Tomatoes, it became the first Pixar movie since 1998's "A Bug's Life" to fail to cross $200 million at the U.S. box office and then it became the first Pixar movie to miss out on a nomination for the Best Animated Feature Film Academy Award. What does this have to do with "Brave"? A lot. The once seemingly invincible studio is suddenly looking for a "comeback." And they've got quite an unconventional contender in the story of a Scottish princess (voiced by Kelly Macdonald) who defies rigid gender roles and becomes a hero. Conventional wisdom says animated films with female leads can't draw blockbuster audiences anymore. But history proves Pixar fares best when they're defying conventional wisdom. Now that they've had a chance to pan Pixar, critics should be eager to welcome the studio back into their good graces. And, frankly, Pixar's track record is so good that one "Cars 2" is no reason to count them out. - Geoff Berkshire
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When do they typically release new trailers online? Tuesdays?
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apparently I've broken some rules of being a Pixar fan by not being overly impressed with what I've seen so far
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lol i don't NEED to have the same opinion as you; I don't think Brave looks special enough to think more of it for now, that's all--and it's going to get hit 3rd weekend by TASM and 4th weekend by IA4 (unless I looked at that wrong somehow); and if I'm wrong, I'll be a happy Pixar fan--because it will mean Brave is fantastic above and beyond
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When you summarize someone else's post as "blah blah blah", then yeah... 65 x 3.5 = 227M. Not far out from what I was saying it looked like?
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lol blah blah blah--because I already know how it performed? I was calling UP to be big from the first trailer I saw. Even from this poster they put up at Disneyland way before the trailer. I just wasn't posting on Mojo back then (was reading though). I'm not saying Brave is going to bomb. I'm simply saying it doesn't look like it has that blend of those qualities UP showed me pre-release that told me it was going to be huge. I'm not saying that it won't prove me wrong either. It certainly could. I DON'T know everything about it. I've pointed that out before. I don't understand why they aren't showing what the story is about. Usually I take that as a bad sign in marketing, but coming from Pixar it seems strange. I don't get you types on here that get all offensive. I'm not insulting you guys with crap like "blah blah blah" am I? Why don't you reply with a positive alternative to what I'm seeing instead? Show me what qualities are going to make this Pixars 2nd or 3rd highest grossing original? Is there any tracking on it yet? I'd rather see that stuff than "blah blah blah".
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How do you know otherwise? I said "looks like". Meaning, I don't see what features in this film suggest even as strong an opening as a movie like Wall-E or as strong of legs as a movie like Rat, but somewhere in the middle, and certainly not UP. A wild princess who wants to be free? Scottish guys in a bar-fight? Something about a bear? UP (which some of you are suggesting this will be) had the funny wilderness explorer kid, it had a funny talking dog, house flying on baloons, humorous giant bird character, grumpy old man, etc--concrete, sell-able images that audiences bought into(that I could see way ahead of time audience were going to buy into), and not to mention the BIG laughs in its trailers, as opposed to small chuckles that I've felt from Brave's so far. Is it that unreasonable to think that Brave looks less like UP and more like some of Pixar's lesser-grossing movies? I'm not trying to say anything about quality here--and the recent reviews have been very heartening to hear. Unless you guys are assuming glowing reviews even BEYOND what UP had--and that this will drive in new and larger audiences than before?
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I'm saying at best--Wall-E or Rat, which would barely pass Tangled. They've got a few more months to market this thing, so I'm hoping I see something in it that'll make me want to take my kids. As is, it's probably a flick for the wife and I. Then again, we went by ourselves to see Tangled, and decided to take the kids next week after we saw how funny it was.
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Except for the Pixar brand, I'm not sure I see audiences liking this more than Tangled even. Some of the 250million+ predicts seem beyond me, and I think they're relying on there being something magical like UP had, but Brave looks a lot more like it has a Wall-E or Rat type performance coming its way.
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Is the above featurette not the trailer?
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Finally, a good trailer. Why wasn't this the 1st trailer?
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Nice to hear a great review. Hopefully this last trailer will be special.
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after Cars 2 disappointed? the floodgates for criticizing were in full swing long before Cars 2 came out, with plenty of nasty things said about Mr. Lassetter in particular about his motivations in film-making today.
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And I can think back to past efforts where it failed. Prince of Persia, as I recall, was labeled as "from the producers of Pirates of the Caribbean". Remember Space Chimps? From the writers of Shrek! It made like 10% of what the Shrek's averaged... Pixar has a unique and singular brand. Without it, I could imagine Brave doing far worse than it might actually (say it opens in the 40s, without Pixar, I could see this in the teens or twenties). Pixar's brand is fine. Each movie's run is dependent on its own quality. Wall-E had pacing issues, so instead of running into the mid or high 200s, it settled in the low 200s. It had the lead character, comedy and story to hit those high numbers, but it was too dull and slow at parts (my son fell asleep the first time we saw it in theaters). Rat's concept didn't have the broad appeal of some of their other concepts. Plus, it was more adult driven in storytelling and content. Thus, it opened lower and finished at 200. Cars 2 was too kiddish for a decent portion of Pixar's broad audience, and thus it sputtered out just shy of 200. On the other hand UP had a nearly perfect blend of comedy and drama and was their first original (IMO) to nail it since TI. Brave's run will depend on if it has its own issues like Rat, Wall-E, Cars 2, etc or if it nails it like UP did. All this bad pub goes away if they release a trailer to die for, or if early reviews and screenings are through the roof (like most past Pixar efforts have been).
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Only way he would have a point on that issue, would be if Brave looked fantastic and had a soft opening. Brave doesn't look fantastic. if it has a soft opening, it's its own fault. I hope the Lorax is an eye-opener for the major animation studios. Everyone's been pushing these more "serious/drama" oriented style and tone in their films since about Rat or so. Meledandri is showing how the more old-school, physical humor and good fun movies can still pull in the really big bucks (Despicable Me and The Lorax). The DM2 announcement trailer was more epic than anything Brave's shown so far.
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John Carter didn't have the Pixar logo in front of it. What are you talking about? Wall-E's marketing was fantastic. If its pacing had been better, it would have soared way higher. I think Rat would have pulled a Rango--Rio type run from a different studio, which isn't terribly off from what it did pull in.
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Do you think Pixar/TI had anything to do with Mission Impossible 4? I extremely doubt it. MI was about Tom Cruise, the franchise and Abrams. Your JC points are nonsense, and it shows nothing more than just how much you hate Cars 2. You're blaming mediocre live-action movies from a different studio's performance on Cars 2 (which will make more than 2x what JC will probably)? JC didn't look great, and WORST of all--it wasn't a very good movie. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't good either.
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The only remotely funny joke in the second trailer was the one dad mooning the other dads, which was not remotely clever enough to be the high-point of the trailer. Brave's climax is a scene that's been used in virtually every movie involving archery ever made (splitting the bullseye). Maybe I've watched too much movies to expect something more new than "Princess who doesn't want to be a princess" ? I can't think of any other Pixar movie that was based on so over-used a premise? Toys were alive? Monsters were scared of children? The world of bugs? A fish who's scared of the ocean? Super-heroes living normal lives? A rat who wants to cook? Cars as people/characters? A robot as the last living thing on earth? An old man flying his house on a million balloons? Forget all that if you want to, but my biggest problem with that I've seen so far is that it looks like it completely lacks the fantastic humor that marks virtually all pixar films previously.
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and lol @ blaming Cars 2 for John Carter's shortcomings. JC failed all of its own accord, which is sad for Stanton. Blaming Cars 2?
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It seems to be a talking point for people who hated Cars 2 and are worried about Brave's lackluster image so far. I believe it's called rationalization.
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I don't agree with that at all. Brave looks terrible compared to past Pixar efforts. Plain and simple. Will it be terrible? I would be shocked. They're probably trying to fit a square peg through a round whole with its marketing. What bothers me about these discussions is how little they pay attention to the studio itself. Pixar's had some definite problems. Newt got canceled. Then they moved Cars 2 up into its place (potentially rushed it?). Plus, they changed directors during the middle of making the film. They changed directors on Brave mid-film too! Bird, gone. Stanton, gone. Lewis--left (after Cars 2, but there had to be problems beforehand). My hope, is that these growing pains will be behind us after Brave (or better yet, Brave having not been rushed up into 2012 will be better off as a result). Their next slate looks much better (Mind Movie and Dinosaurs).
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