Valonqar
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16 minutes ago, Valonqar said:
Aquaman 2 is a rare bird, a bomb that saved its face. Legs, #2 biggest OS boxoffice for a SH movie. Bigger than Black Adam. Small victories are victories.
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39 minutes ago, dallas said:
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom has become the 2nd highest grossing CBM of 2023 overseas, beating out Across the Spider-Verse.
Aquaman 2 is a rare bird, a bomb that saved its face. Legs, #2 biggest OS boxoffice. Bigger than Black Adam. Small victories are victories.
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1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:
I asked Mark@Insidekino about potential of Dune 2 in Germany and he is saying Blockbuster level(3m+ admits). I hope it hits Oppenheimer level at minimum 🙂
Thank you so much!
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Bob Marley is a proof that if audience cares for something (character, story, premise, etc) they'll come no matter what critics say. Critics are not the saviors nor doomers.
1 hour ago, ando said:Anyone But You, which at one point was tracking for like a $3m OW, has outgrossed (domestic) the sequel to a $1.1B MCU film.
Utterly insane lmao.
Looks like the war on romance/romcom ended with romance/romcom winning.
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1 hour ago, John Marston said:
agree. Captain Marvel 2 was going to flop no matter what. But it’s clear nobody cared about Ms Marvel. Nobody watched her show and the movie where she was heavily marketed as being part of is one of the biggest box office bombs of all time. It is just a Cold hard fact
Yep, audience apathy is worse than something being just bad. If it's bad than you fix it. if reviews say "this is good you should see it" and they still don't care than you can't do anything about it.
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10 minutes ago, JustLurking said:
100k OD on an island with 2.8M people and low atp??? wtf
He's an absolute institution there not just an icon and you bet some tourists caught the movie too since Jamaica is English speaking so you don't have to deal with the awful foreign language dubbing. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if the movie did well across the Caribbean even with rivalry between the islands. He's massive in that region.
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11 hours ago, John Marston said:
I mean even a regular sequel to Captain Marvel would have had a gigantic decrease (that movie was clearly now lifted up by IW/Endgame hype). Adding in the other characters didn’t add any kind of interest or intrigue
That absolutely, 100% stands.
The disagreement here is whether Marvel should push forward with characters are aren't connecting - how many bombs one needs for that to sink in? - and my stance is that it shouldn't while his is that it should cause he sees it as "taking risk". But reality is that Marvel never took a risk there cause it was at the peak of its popularity and thought it could sell anything. And then when it found out that it couldn't, they didn't know how to respond to rejection in timely manner.
@PlatnumRoyce Secret Invasion is ignored because it was released and tanked when the movie was about to be released. So they didn't know if it would flop and when it did they couldn't do anything to change the movie. OTOH, when Ms Marvel tanked, they still had a big enough window to make changes that a) disconnected the movie from the show (since barely anyone watched the show, movie didn't have to pick up where the show left off) and b) demoted TV characters from co-leads to just supporting including the change of title that would emphasize CM over the team. Titles change all the time, it's really no big deal and there was already brouhaha over CM losing the title which didn't happen with any other SH.
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7 hours ago, ando said:
Ooh SK is blowing up for sure. If it can debut big, good WoM could take it really far (just like Part One's legs).
Beautiful cast and romance emphasis are connecting with that marked I'd say.
But yes, the movie is increasing over the first one everywhere so far only not sure about China didn't check the thread yet.
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20 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
So therefore just making a sequel to a big hit is not a guarantee, just like making a project about a character who isn't already a list isn't a guaranteed failure. Thank you for proving my point.
He didn't prove your point quite the contrary. You may pretend all you like that The Marvels was a regular sequel to CM but reality is that it wasn't because they tied it in with TV shows especially the flop one so it became something else. Taking the title away from CM didn't help the matter either. It wasn't a risk as much as it was a massive miscalculation. Point being, you got a movie that you perosnaly wanted, it didn't work for others who aren't you - in fact it became the studio's stain and embarrassment - so pushing forward with more of that is a business suicide. The audience(who isn't you) have spoken. You may not like that they rejected that movie and those characters (all or specific one) and embraced different movies and characters (Barbenheimer, Mario, Spiderverse, GOTG 3, Wonka, ABY, etc) but that's what it is.
19 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:"you can't shove the same thing down our throats which is why you should never do anything new or risky" is your argument? Really? You don't realize those two things are total opposites?
Again, there's nothing new or risky about this superbomb. It was 100% a miscalulation based on expectations that weren't met. They thought the 2 Marvels who weren't CM would become household names by the time movie came out and that absolutely didn't happen. Talk about counting their chickens before they hatched. On top of that the movie was shit.
And shoveling rejected characters and/or concepts down audience throats again and again =/= risky. It's dumb.
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Rundown of some OS presales:
Brazil: The first 24 hours of pre-sales of Dune 2 are just a little above those from The Flash. That is decent actually, given that The Flash opened with R$16M+ and the first Dune opened with "only" R$5M. credit: @ThatWaluigiDude
Mexico: Like Kimetsu No Yaiba, I have no comps this far out for this one either but I'd say these ones are pretty good too and pointing towards a 3k+ final ticket count which is amazing.
I'm going cautious as growth in Metro Area theaters isn't as great as it is in Mexico City itself but a bit of a marketing push from Warner (kudos to what they've already done) and it could very well push $70M+ across the opening weekend. Credit: @CarlangonzSK: Dune:Part Two -68,796(D-15) credit: @efialtes76
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5 minutes ago, John Marston said:
The Marvels likely having a 200 million loss for Disney is not an opinion
exactly. It's a fact and it cannot be stressed enough. Your audience said NO are you going to shovel the same thing down their throat that they'll keep rejecting or cut it loose and focus on what they embrace to regain their trust? It's no rocket science.
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3 hours ago, SpiderByte said:
If we're using the logic of "only make sequels to hits" making a sequel to Captain Marvel is absolutely the logical decision.
Sequel to CM? Yes. Sequel to Ms Marvel, which what The Marvels was since it picked up where the show no one watched left off?
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2 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:
I hope WB do a double feature of Wonka and Dune. Glad that the movie didn't have to crawl to 200m.
Migration is another legs master, should up by at least 20% this weekend. I won't rule out the possibility that it could overtake Aquaman 2 for finish total at this point.
Also The Beekeeper. Unexpected legs for that one, well done.
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Wonka's legs are looooong man. May Dune has them too.
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2 hours ago, SpiderByte said:
People have every fucking short memories because Deadpool was not an A lister with audiences till after the movie came out. Neither was The Avengers. Neither were the Guardians. Neither was fucking Iron Man. Yes, it is a good thing that Marvels willing to roll the dice on things.
Yes they became A list after their movies came out but there's no doubt that many characters that MCU introduced in new phases didn't become even B listers and some completely tanked more than once including that 250M megaton bomb. So they rolled the dice which is good and now cut the fat that didn't work out. I see nothing controversial there.
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4 minutes ago, John Marston said:
a Blade movie should happen and the way to make it is simple (John Wick with vampires) but Marvem is being stupid and clueless and trying to do stupid shit with it apparently
Because they don't want Blade movie. No one in their right mind makes a Blade movie by putting a focus on his daughter. How that crap was even brought up let alone approved to be a script is trully baffling. It's a terrible idea that somehow became a script (now mercifully scrapped) cause they didn't see it as a terrible idea. I don't get it. Also, Ali is wrong end of. Big part of what made Blade so iconic is Snipes' RL martial arts prowess. That they didn't look into actor-martial artist is beyond stupid.
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12 minutes ago, John Marston said:
some actual excitement over Marvel projects. This is what happens when you make things that people actually want
Yep. Cut the fat - all those Fetch characters that Marvel thought would happen but didn't. Hey, you tried, big points for that but if audience rejects them than call it a day. Focus on characters fans like already be it in the movies (Deadpool, Wolverine) or in CB (Fantastic 4).
Also stop doing trial balloons by feeding scoopers that this or that unnecessary show or movie will get a sequel (Eternals, She Hulk, Ms Marvel). It's over. Drop them and move on with what actually works.
Admit you don't really want to make Blade or at least with grandpa Ali who was wrong choice from the get go. This is now turning into Rian Johnson's Star Wars Trilogy. Nobody calls it officially dead but it's dead.
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13 hours ago, fabiopazzo2 said:
I didn't talk about canceling projects.
But not to do any more Secret Invasion or She Hulk stuff.
They must focus on more ambitious projects and raise the quality
They don't need to continue with side projects (Kate Bishop, She Hulk, Secret Invasion, Echo, whatever else is there) and flops (Ms Marvel - after one-two punch of show&movie bombage this should be vaulted and never spoken of again). That's TV. On movie side, I don't think anyone would shed many tears if they quietly dropped Wanda's kids, whatsherface from MoM and Lang's daughter, you know, those other characters that were supposed to be Young Avengers. That shit needs to be buried. Zoomers and Alphas don't care so age of characters doesn't play a role in appeal. if a character isn't cool/interesting/captures the zeitgeist age won't save them. All of these TV, movie, TV-movie hybrids flopped.
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No film has 100% approval. Erlich has already signalled he'll give it a negative review. so 100% is out of the window. 99% sure maybe but 100% no.
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38 minutes ago, IchwanBigBrother said:
Oh dear. My gatekeeper impulses have been activated and I at last feel like marketing has gone too far. They really want as many butts in those seats as they can get. Couldn't they at least have used better voiceover?
Lel, for what is worth, WB did a better job digesting the first movie than Marvel did with that "please watch Wandavision and Ms Marvel" trailer. It's fun and to the point.
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Reminder that Oppenheimer is a 3 hrs long talky that made 957M WW. That's more than Multiverse of Madness and beofre anyone brings up China or lack thereof, MoM wasn't 3 hrs long and Oppenheimer wasn't cross-promoted with NWH or part of the biggest franchise in the world.
So Dune's running time won't be a problem.
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42 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said:
Can't really tell without watching the film but Ferguson would be the most likely to get a nom if it's very loyal to the source material. Jessica is the stealth main character of the first book, manipulating a whole planet to believe her son is their Jesus.
Not really. Book spoilers
She discovers that Bene Geserit planted such prophecy and that Fremen believe it no matter what she and Paul do or don't. Remember that at the time she broke up with BG cause she gave birth to Paul instead of a daughter. So since their survival depends on Fremen protection she plays along - takes spice agony trial without excusing herself with pregnancy which in return screws up Alia for life - becomes their Reverend Mother but Fremen belief is too deep to be either deepen or stopped because the prophecy was planted generations ago. She even begs Paul to give up Mahdi cosplay and just settle down with Chani and their son and have a quiet life. But by that point Paul who saw the future knew that it was impossible to change the course. The whole point of jessica's character is that she isn't a schemer like BG which is why events in Dune happened.
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11 minutes ago, Blue35 said:
Agree that Butler and Chalamet are most likely, followed by Zendaya, then Ferguson.
I think it’s pretty unlikely for Pugh
Agreed. Messiah is a big Irulan movie not Dune.
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Guys, you know that I'm bullish on acting noms for this so based on reactions from critics (not fans I want to keep this strictly awards-releveant), do you think that some cast members are getting that kind of buzz and if yes how would you rank them? From what I've seen it seems Butler and Chalamet, than Zendaya, than Pugh and Ferguson.
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That's too low.