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I think it;s strength in home video sales versus jungle book, beauty and the beast or Cinderella is an other good indicator. Sadly we do not have a very reliable source, but using the-numbers estimate: In 2013 Marry poppins: 22.87 million, #72 best seller of the year No jungle book in the top 100 In 2014 Jungle Book: 35.5m, #29 Poppins: 18.65m, #68 2015: Jungle Book: No data or not top 100. Poppins: 13.7m, #68 2016: Jungle Book: No data or not top 100. Poppins: 9.95m, #71 2017: Jungle Book: No data or not top 100. Poppins: 7m, #72 2018: Jungle Book: No data or not top 100. Poppins: 1.38m, #50 If the numbers is accurate, Cinderella didn't made the top 100 every year like this before the remake, Jungle book neither like Poppins is doing now 6 year's in a row, it could be easier and easier to classic/collectible type item/for older crowd to make the top 100 of physical sales has people more and more stay away for the regular movies, but it does feal like the movie has a really special place in people memory to do as well on home video. Aladdin made the top 100 in 2015 for a comparable, Cinderella only in 2012, Jungle Book only in 2015, I would imagine the year a special release occurred for those title. Poppins it is every year since 2013 (the year Disney made a bluray 50 year's edition).
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THE Incredibles 2 | June 15, 2018 | NO SPOILERS!!!!
Barnack replied to Neo's topic in Box Office Discussion
Do you live in a city ? If so is it like in america and do you watch like 450 to 700 new release a year, more than 1 new movie a days in theater in average ? Or you get less of them, making watching everything possible ? -
THE Incredibles 2 | June 15, 2018 | NO SPOILERS!!!!
Barnack replied to Neo's topic in Box Office Discussion
People that ask that question when having watched the movie (first weekend!) without being professional critics needing too for their jobs, should have a good idea, ask The Shay why he did, he will give The Shay a clue why people watch this. -
I think most would have that temptation (or just a different director if not him), but I am not sure how WB have control over that franchise. Apparently it was not a director for hire type of project, but Ross a good personal friend of Soderbergh having the idea, getting Clooney/Soderbergh approval, casting Bullock and then going at WB with that package/formed project already in hand, it was produced by Clooney Smoke House Picture production company with Soderbergh producing the movie. Could be a bit delicate to try to tell them what to do on the next one, specially that regardless of subjective quality no Ross movie went below 50 on Metacritic, 3 of is 5 movies are certified fresh with only one below 50 with Free State of Jones and is 2 female lead movie will have made a billion together and no one heard any sound of troubled production on any of them, he event went under days of shoot and under budget on Hunger Games. Soderbergh has not directed a well received theatrical hit since what Magic Mike in 2012 ? (Well if Logan Lucky had an ip name attached to it and a studio release maybe it would have been one). Chance are good he will walk out by himself too and it will be up to Soderbergh.
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In a vacuum not but for a franchise movie with 4M previews inflating the OW and playing against a mass appeal (with a crowd that play more female than male) 185m opener.... Some long time reboot/sequel/who knows how to call them. Blade Runner 2049 with A- cinemascore -52.7% against happy death day and foreigner (quite the different audience, so no competition) Magnificent 7 with a A- cinemacore: -55.0% against a good competition in Deepwater horizon but that was a 20m opener. 50% from O8 B+ cinemascore/high previews figure and the huge competition, do sound close to good for it, I could see a 20m (-52%) easily happening. Like expected, 50% drop would have been actually quite good for O8. Tag was popular in the Woman over 25 demo creating some competition, but Incredible 2 was crazy and did around 72m at the box office from the women over 25 demography this weekend. A movie like 50 shades of grey for comparison made a bit below 60m from women OW, under and over 25 combined, it was maybe a bigger competition than Force Awaken opening for that demography..
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Among the heavy internet producer of content it could be. The pool about your favorite movie of all time among american adults look usually like those title: TABLE 1 FAVORITE MOVIE "What is your favorite movie of all time?" Unprompted responses Base: All adults 2008 2014 Gone with the Wind 1 1 Star Wars 2 2 Titanic * 3 The Godfather =9 4 Lord of the Rings 4 5 The Sound of Music 5 6 Dirty Dancing * 7 Wizard of Oz 6 8 It's a Wonderful Life * 9 E.T. * 10 "=" prior to a number indicates a tie *Not in top 10 DROPPED OUT OF TOP 10 SINCE 2008 Casablanca (#3), The Notebook (#7), Forrest Gump (#8), The Princess Bride (#9 – tie) Would not surprise me if it would show up in 2034 or so, I also think that there is beloved movie in the sense a lot of people love it have them in a a top 50 kind of way even if not that many have it has number 1 (say Casablanca is that type of movie everybody love even if it can get out of the top 10 of most #1 favorite movie).
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Also: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=3drereleases.htm 3d-release BO Lion King: 94m Titanic: 58m Beauty and the best: 47m Phantom Menace: 43m Nemo: 41m Toy story: 30.7m After Avatar release and closer has possible to 2010 the better for a 3d re-release here, advantaging Lion King (2011) over toy story pre-avatar release or the 2012 one. But still, beating James Cameron at something box office....... by that wide of a margin, there is clearly something going on. If lion kings re-release can open at 30m and have over 3.0 legs... a new one can do close to 10 times that yes.
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With is reviews/cinemascore and Considering it faced possibly the biggest F+25 demo opener ever and will face Jurassic World next week it was to be expected. The budget is much lower and it is a franchise that historically do 2.5 time it's dbo at the WW. Could easily do a say 118m / 280m wordwide, 4 times it's budget and being a huge success without having a particularly good legs / roll-out. Paul Feig (was in talk for getting 10-12% of the profits), McCarthy and that huge list of sequels right owner/producer to pay on Ghostbuster: Produced by Dan Aykroyd ... executive producer Ali Bell ... executive producer Paul Feig ... executive producer Jessie Henderson ... executive producer Michele Imperato ... executive producer (as Michele Imperato Stabile) Joe Medjuck ... executive producer Amy Pascal ... producer James Paul ... associate producer Alex Plapinger ... associate producer Tom Pollock ... executive producer Eric Reich ... associate producer Ivan Reitman ... producer Cannot have been cheap on the back end either. We cannot predict if a sequel will occur or not, because when you have someone like Bullock she probably need to agree to it, but in term of still being profitable with an expected sequel decrease, it should have a lot of room.
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20-30m is not a bit more, it is quite more. Wrinkle in time will finish very close to Tomorrowland adjusted (100.3m) and quite higher than Pete's Dragon 82m adjusted, the fact that it took that long to do it and was a natural say 97m performer and 100.3m could be, the Intl calamity could be. But 20-30m dbo is a lot. Using those example above is not 100% fair to exclude racism that easily, because the black cast/stars, seem to have boosted it's box office among African-American (17% of the audience OW), not like Black Panther but still above average. So it still did less outside the AA community than say Tomorrowland, but: Wrinkle in time OW demo: Caucasian: 56% Hispanics: 20% African-American: 17%: Asians: 5% Native American/other: 3% A movie like Secret life of pets Caucasian: 50% Hispanics: 24% African-American: 14%: Asians: 8% Native American/other: 4% Finding Dory Caucasian: 47% Hispanics: 26% African-American: 13%: Asians: 10% Native American/other: 4% Annual Average Caucasian: 51% Hispanics: 21% African-American: 14%: Asians/Native American/other: 14% https://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/MPAA-Theatrical-Market-Statistics-2016_Final-1.pdf Those demography numbers do not indicate something that special going on with Wrinkle in TIme audience or a significant rejection by racism (that is not compensate by the appeal toward non racist at least), it was even an above average white audience and not that more popular among the African-American audience than the average release. Without racism you probably do not have champion of the movie and other factor in play, hard to know how it played out but without racist that movie making exactly the same as Tomorrowland would have been good no ? Tomorrowland had the much bigger Brad Bird production and giant 2 year's of marketing.
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There can be real good money into making 100.05m versus say 95m. Looking at a couple of Sony leaked "fudge" accounting (This is the end for example goes from a 98m dbo movie with a 50% return rate to a 100m movie with a 49% return rate.....), it look like you can expect to make around 5m more in International TV if you reach 100m, a nice jump in home ent as well. For example The Equalizer. At 95m dbo, 80m intl for a 175m WW Expected total revenues: 213.39m (36.39 in international tv, 43.35 in home ent) At 100m dbo, 80m intl for a 180m WW Expected total revenues: 227.17m (41.57 in international tv, 47.05 in home ent) 13.78m more by making just 5m more at the dbo, quite a lot ridding on reaching it.
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Much easier if someone does not consider inflation. They can do Lord of the Rings Return of the King (one of the biggest book franchise of all time getting of the most love and acclaimed trilogy of movies of all time, on location giant productions with new movie technology being made for it) with a movie like Minions or beat Harry Potter 1 with Jumanji. A movie like The Boss Baby made much more than the first Shrek or Saving Private Ryan.
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Already had a bit OW matter so much installed, but now I would be curious to know the percentage of studio wide release that are basically already success just by presales without anyone having seen the movie (and vice versa). In 2017 the top 10 movies made 3.8b of the 11,071.9b of the box office, while the movies ranked 90-100 made 258m. It did got more top heavy. 2017 Top 10: around 35% of the year box office. Movie 11-20: 17% of the year box office. Top 20: 52% Movie 90-100: 2.25% 1999 Top 10: 28.5% of the year box office (2.13b) Movie 11-20: 16% (1.19b) Top 20: 44% 90-100: 2.4% (178m) An other way to see it, the #128 biggest movie at the domestic box office in 1999 was Brokedown Palace with 10.115m in 2017 it was Thank you for your service with 9.53m. Movie make half of what they were doing 20 year's ago in that range (to take into consideration for people that think there is a bigger output of movie now creating more competition than before, the number of relevant has competition movies probably went down, not up) The box office grew by nearly 50% between 1999 and 2017 (by 1% adjusted for inflation), but 100% of it was in the top, the rest is even smaller unadjusted.
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Being such outside any norms and breaking the OW by nearly 50%, anything is possible, it could have play like a SH movies sequels by how much non family audience driven the first report were. Who knows, it is pretty much unprecedented. It is almost certain it would have good legs for a sequel big opener, for an A+ animated movie that is far from certain.
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Interesting point, being a bit of old school/golden age Hollywood process, what kind of press could they ever generate, no movie star, employee people simply working somewhere, no on set drama, reshoot not being a concept here being part of the process, etc.... Animated movies must be really boring for trades and click bait.