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Who said that ? The claim was mediocre WOM among those not invested in the Saga. Do you know many people for who that was the first MCU movie they saw and was giving it big recommendation at your workplace ?

Feel like some misquote fake news. How does mediocre among people not invested in the saga, become bad wom ? Mediocre is quite above bad, people not invested in the saga is not the giant among of people that are.

Has people seen ?: Apparently it is very Raid like.

Have you tried the first 2 ? I think one can like BadLands and not any other Malick (specially is more recent stuff).

How many people do you know for who that was the first MCU movie in year's and saw less than 3 of them ? What was their opinion of it ? How did they understood ? So many moments are dependent on pre-awareness.

Well you need to bold the hole sentence, among people not invested in the saga. I mean are you being serious ? Do you think someone for most for who it was their first MCU movie they ever saw went around their office saying how must see that movie is to others ? Could be a country to country but here it is not playing like that at all.

Historically long movie and OW record breaker had good multiplier even outside December, Spider-Man, first Potter, Dark Knight, Avengers, Jurassic World. There is some exception outside the MCU, Spider Man 3, Deathly Hallows 2. A good comparable of why the low multiplier is Deathly Hallows Part 2, much more than runtime imo (lower run time we probably have an higher OW and similar if not worst legs multiplier). It is not just a case of burning demand and runtime, there is something about how mediocrre the WOM probably among people not invested in the saga must be, that do not create the usual Giant OW help multiplier instead of hurting it (like Beauty, Black Panther, Jurassic World, etc...) phenomenom we see, it must be impossible for someone that have seen all the MCU before this one to feel like a newcomer can feel watching this. It was one of the worst competently made big budget movie watching experience for me for a good part of the runtime, the giant one of the great last hour easily make up for it and will give great cinemascore/out of theater buzz, but good start for a movie is where a lot of rewatch/staying power can come from.

Always felt has an hard one to pull off + strange director choice to me too.

Not sure if serious.............

Is that table not updated, still at -53%: https://deadline.com/2019/05/john-wick-chapter-3-avengers-endgame-pokemon-detective-pikachu-weekend-box-office-1202617131/ $29.4M (-53%)

Known name with a major role (or even good cameo) pretty much always have some backend structure, almost certain he has here but possibly because it is pre-sold everywhere only on few market, that said if he have profit participation type intl pre-sales revenues will be used in the formula.

Fallout made almost 800m, that quite the task. Look at Reeve last 5 movies: Jan 11, 2019 Replicas William Foster $4,046,429 $4,184,875 $8,231,304 Aug 31, 2018 Destination Wedding Frank $1,660,230 $1,660,230 Jul 13, 2018 Siberia Lucas Hill $447,485 $447,485 Jul 14, 2017 To The Bone Dr. William Beckham Jun 23, 2017 The Bad Batch The Dream $180,851 $1,375 $182,226 Or those between John Wick 1 and 2: Nov 25, 2016 Mifune: The Last Samurai Narrator $52,969 $52,969 Nov 1, 2016 Deep Web Narrator Oct 21, 2016 The Whole Truth Richard Ramsay $1,772,492 $1,772,492 Jun 24, 2016 The Neon Demon Hank $1,333,124 $2,226,679 $3,559,803 Jan 22, 2016 Exposed Detective Galban $205,632 $205,632 Oct 9, 2015 Knock Knock Evan $36,336 $6,292,180 $6,328,516

30M would be the exact same -52.6% of Infinity War and that one faced a 125m deadpool. At least would be getting of the near -60% figure.

Oh yes possible that many of those didn't had friday start, I did no research and just picked the third week number when you click weeks on Mojo. Considering Weekly gross of Phantom menace week 1 is just 41m I imagine there is something abnormal going on because of the wednesday start, Jumanji 16m week 1 being more strange. Forget that post, I really do not thing the weekly tab on mojo is first 7 days, followed by the second 7 days.Phantom menace week 1 start May 14, the movie opened May 19, look like a bug.....

Missing Avatar/Jumanji, Incredible 2 and.................. Phantom Menace !!! I think. Awaken: 118m Avatar: 97m Jumanji: 89m BP: 85m Last Jedi: 84m Phantom Menace: 82.6m Incredibles 2: 81.1777 JW: 81m Rogue One: 79.9m Avengers (2012): 75m Maybe I am not thinking of some other candidate

Valerian did try very recently, Ubisoft also, depending what we mean by independent I think it is likely to happen, lot of non MPAA studio capital being thrown into production, from Netflix, Amazon, Apple, China, Video Game studio, Hunger Games was not so long ago. John Wick spent $29,676,890 in qualified cost in the state of New York, it was more a 40-45-50M movie than a 20M one. People calling John wick original/new material are certainly not calling John Wick 2 or 3 original/new.

Agree with this, even on the very first day/weekend: Updated demos from Disney: 57% males, 43% females. 71% adults, 18% families, 11% teens. Updated PostTrak as of Friday night: Parents and kids still were in the minority at 23%, with 77% general audiences. Definite recommend upticked from 83% on Thursday night to 85%. Men under 25 became the leading demo repping 35%, men over 25 are now 28%, females under 25 were at 19%, and females over 25 were 18%. Five stars among parents and general audiences. Kids at 12 a tad more critical at 4 1/2. Diversity breakdown is 44% Caucasian, 21% Hispanic, 15% African American, and 20% Asian/other. Was a bit male heavy Thursday/Friday night, but quickly got balanced with the saturday-sunday, 43% of a 354m weekend make it almost certainly the biggest OW among women in unadjusted in dollar of all time, would not be surprising to have been the biggest OW for the 4-quads in dollar, even if the female over 25 would have stayed at that 18% figure all weekend long that a 64m weekend from that demo, Mamma Mia 2 OW was 35, Sex and the city 57m, it was probably bigger than 50 shades of grey opening among that demo (even with that 82% female and R-rated, it played quite young and maybe did 90m*.82*.75 going a bit lower). The "weak" multiplier we see isn't missing one quadrant I think, it is what seem to me an very obvious case of extreme resistance, no matter how good the movie is how do you get people that have not seen the previous 3 Avengers movie to watch this one, it is really hard, it will happen the first weekend/first days because our sheep part of the brain goes crazy and curiosity of the phenomenon, but that sheepish reflex goes has far has the hype conversation around the movie is sustained and WOM among the people for who it was their first MCU movie in a while or ever. Some previous giant opener like Jurassic World / Black Panther, even first Avenger getting on the train was a much smaller deal, had way less resistance, not looking like you need to have seen anything before and something the word of mouth post OW would say to other. That is why it would be really surprising for a sequel to ever have an ET, Star Wars, Titanic box office run (not talking multiplier but total), you audience start almost limited to the audience of the previous movie. With home media it does not mean box office will go down, Marvel being a perfect example of that, but it is still limited, they will not have the grand parent never went in theater in 20 year's but did for that a la Titanic. What is left for crazy legs (I think we can call 600M crazy legs), rabid fanbase rewatch, something I suspect Force Awaken got a lot more here. Here how good the movie is do change things, but so does how long/fun/rely on surprise/etc... it is and first movie in a decade versus being one of the 3 movie release in the same 6 month can also be a factor in rewatch level, if you already seen CM 2 times, rewatched Infinity War and 2-3 of your favorite entry before this and plan to watch Spider Man, that a lot of watching.

And had a strange review embargo if it was good.

Not sure to follow you here Why was it possible to do maybe what 3/3.5 billion in 2010 (one actually made almost 2.8B, imagine what the maximum was) in a 30 something billion market, why would it not be more in a soon 42b market ? Has for theater closing left and right, that seem to have stabilized in the US: https://www.statista.com/statistics/188643/number-of-us-cinema-sites-since-1995/ http://www.natoonline.org/data/us-movie-screens/ The 40.8k screen in 2018 was the most since 1987 recorded there, 10% more than in 2000.

I mean... what a strange thing to say.

The way it is going (and the way developper own Bitcoin and are invested in it's value much more than it's usage), Bitcoin is much more replacing gold than dollar. I imagine an other crypto is more likely to replace dollar than bitcoin if it is to happen.

A cinemascore, almost 3.0 multiplier on a over 100m OW, I imagine a lot of the target audience (3 to what 9 ?) loved it.

I really do not know (disclaimer everything is interpreted second hand, never worked in the industry) Some movie planning distinguish the domestic release cost in 2, pre-open media and support media, how long and how big the run is do seem to affect the cost, specially for a christmas type of release. They seem to be ready to add say 5 Million more if things are going well. Has for the ability to re-gain theater in particular I really do not know if it cost them anything.

If a movie is really believed in by the studio, track well, etc.... middle budget affair marketing can get around the same the mid-level blockbuster type. Movie like Venom often have some partnership helping reduce the cost, part of a well known franchise starting with some awareness and a fanbase. Also a Star Is Born award campaign spending must have been huge, can easily add a 7-8M not spent by a Venom there. Not sure how equivalent of a comparable but if you look at Captain Phillips: Theatrical release: Domestic marketing: 53m dom prints: 3.9m wpf, dues others: 2.76m Intl marketing: 28.6m intl prints: 8m intl wpf, freight others: 2.6m That 100m in 2013, around 108m in 2018 dollar and it got I would say about 3m less spent on is award season. P.S. If it didn't change studio spend very little on a China release (when they are under the 25% type of deal), like maybe 2-3% of the box office, I remember that Transformer 4 had a really giant spending by Paramount there and it was only 8 or 14M max by then, It tend to be you get less of the BO gross but you spent very little in exchange.

It is a mix, most of those numbers are industry model standard estimated by expert (that worked at some point in the industry I would imagine), with from time to time an actual known number that became exceptionally "public", when like Liongates made a big deal about spending only 50m on Mockingjay release or Guardian of the Galaxy 196m budget in 2014 or by the team like the a bit famous Cameron Diaz participation deal. Most of them are simply rules of thumb estimate, prints and ads is somewhat public (like how much air time was bought on national tv tend to be tracked and stuff like that, giving a good idea) when compared to data that became public later (because of the sony leak), they seem to do a gross rough good jobs on the a bit public spending or revenues, like their rental estimate isn't that far off (but not perfect either), tv contract deal, worldwide P&A, they do worst on something private like a movie budget and even worst of talent production participation. They can be wrong by a giant figure (they have been).