Cooper Legion

Mercifully this is only 2/3 as long at least

Easy 5k, thanks Chas

Canada skew should be even heavier than bond considering max vs no max

Pretty sure they showed pip the troll but nobody gives a fuck so it didn’t get spoiled the same way.

Yeah I assume that is the wakanda forever connection

In for a penny, in for a pound — remove the “somewhat”

Exactly. I think the most recent MCU movie I would describe as an actually divisive reaction within the fandom was IM3 because of the villain twist, but not really an issue for GA. Even the medium to lower tier stuff like Hulk and TDW is generally agreed to be non top tier rather than divisive. If Chloe made an actually divisive movie then props I guess (depending on what side of divide I land) but I’m quite skeptical. MCU doesn’t want divisive movies — quite reasonably — and they are pretty experienced at not making them. Nothing in these reactions suggests otherwise.

I’m sure marvel has good internal stats on this, but I would actually bet that majority of audience are pick and choosers, not watch everything type. I mean comparing BO of IW and Wasp it’s kind of inevitable.

After that horrendous 2nd weekend drop it really needed at least flat here to be respectable for the franchise. Guess old people everywhere hate NTTD

If you do 3 a year and average one nonsequel per year you’re rapidly looking at a trilogy taking like 15 years to finish. It’s just untenable.

What do people mean when they say “divisive” for an MCU movie anyway? Like a 92% and A- “divisive?”

Actor spoilers are very different than returning character spoilers though imo. Not that I endorse either, and just dropping it in plain English when it clearly wasn’t allowed to be out yet was a major fuckup that I hope has consequences.

If this were true we’d be living in a very different Hollywood. But as many other franchises and originals have learned the hard way — anything different can easily be bad. Different good is definitely good though. Looking forward to this about as much as before.

Well, now that this thread exists, I guess here’s the full plot leak from 6 months ago for those who are in to that sort of thing:

There is a lot of important stuff that could be spoiled, so at least the thing currently doing the rounds is some insignificant celebrity casting with almost no impact on the movie.

TFW people say a 160 minute movie with a main cast of 10 new characters has expositions and pacing issues

Don Lee, the powah

But y tho? Do we have any real evidence for this? Hollywood marketing campaigns seem excessively long regardless of spacing and the mcu practically markets itself in the 2020s. They shouldn’t! I mean, I do, but this isn’t a normal or necessarily healthy way for a busy GA member to interact with the MCU. It’s intended to be a buffet, not as eating contest. If you had a year with DS+thor+BP+cm+blade+ant-man, and somebody only watched BP, Blade, and ant-man because those are the corners of the universe that appealed to their particular tastes, that’s not a case of “people only watched half our movies, that’s bad” it’s a case of “people were empowered with more choices, and they get to keep up with the subfranchises they like without 5 year waits, that’s good.” We have 4 movies and 5 shows (37 eps) this year and have had way too many drought weeks. If we must settle for a slow 4/yr pace on movies, gotta have 5 shows+a special at absolute minimum.

Refreshingly honest+often contrarian+usually right (YMMV with subjective stuff, but this is provable on more quantitative stuff) is like my whole brand 😛

I don’t think I’ve said at least 6. I would say at least 4.5, with 6 being nice and -8 being where I start to actually be concerned about oversaturation kind of stuff. One thing that I think is easy to overlook is how many active subfranchises there are now. Back in phase 1 and 2 you could put out like 2 movies/yr, and a sequel for a certain character every 2 or 3 years, and because you only had like 3 subfranchises the math worked out totally chill for a mix of sequels and new entries. Now in terms of active subfranchises we are about to have: Thor (first solo 4quel, who knows if we get 5+) Cap (a new trilogy?) Avengers Ant-Man (4+ possible) DS Spidey (4+ possible) BP CM BW (assuming some Pughquels) Shang-Chi Eternals Fantastic4 Blade Deadpool (4+ possible) Count ‘em. 14. That means if you want to keep things fresh by introducing new ones (and I think a lot of the “marvel is putting out too many movies” people would complain vociferously if they moved to a literal “only sequels” model) going at a pace of just 3.5 a year leaves you waiting 6 years for Shang-Chi 2. 6 years for Eternals 2. Mahershala Ali comes in for blade 2 in like 2030 and blade 3 in 2036 or some shit. There is a cold mathematical truth here that goes generally unconsidered imo. The choice is between 4.5+ per year and being glacially slow to give Simu Liu, Wakanda, and other beloved breakouts another turn to star (they can appear in other properties faster of course but that’s not really the same thing).

And for anybody concerned about the exhibitors stating afloat, I’m pretty confident they were happier with 9 than potentially 7 😛

I would personally be happy with 24 in 2 years. 9 was my concession to reality, I could accept 8 (and this may still happen, we’ll see) but 7 is under capacity relative to what we have consistently seen penciled in for phase 4.

Come on what?

Of course I am. I do Greed is good I mean, eventually the star will burn itself out, and I imagine humans will be extinct well before then. But short term predictions of marvel decline don’t tend to pan out so I’m happy to keep riding this train as far as it takes me. And I much preferred 9 movies in 23+22 than if we have to settle for 7 😕

4 in 6 months was a nice pace (yes I know covid delays, I'm not saying we need 8/yr or anything). 3 in 12 months is pretty weak. Especially if they only do 4 in 2023.