Liiviig 1998
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Rise of GRU started in low 90s.
88% start is solid start but with few reviews nothing much to be excited or make conclusion from.
All audience has already gone to shit (66%)
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1 hour ago, Porthos said:
(yes, Kathleen Kennedy is still in charge of/president of Lucasfilm)
Variety Fair interview, which the news is sourced from:
Ehhh. Would have been exciting three years ago. Started tales of Jedi ,cool so far . Animation side should be good.
As for live action. He is been getting kind of worse since Mando S1, cracks started to appear in S2 and by S3 ...
Ashoka was his baby and it kind of petered out by the end.
Guess will wait for the movies and output and see.
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1 hour ago, ZattMurdock said:
The problem isn’t @SpiderByte. The problem is how hard this message board has a problem recognizing they have a fandom wars issue. I don’t post here anymore, I think BOT has fallen to 4Chan/NeoGAF levels of discourse — not that other places don’t have a similar issue either — but when you get a more civilized discourse on the seventh sphere of hell that is Twitter than here, you can’t expect people to stick around, especially when the moderation team has an obvious blind spot for what goes on here.
You have Marvel and DC fans here, with loads of film bros discourse in between. Lots of them are fans of both, like myself. I don’t post or talk about film here anymore not because I’m not passionate about Marvel, not because I’m not excited for its future, but when users shit even on the actual forum’s admin for calling out a lot of the sexist shit spewed around The Marvels, regardless how one can feel about the film or not, no wonder that people don’t see BOT an welcome place to talk about these films.
Not only it’s not worth to ‘debate’ with people that I wouldn’t discuss absolutely anything, but when the moderation team — that clearly has some Marvel fans, that’s not really the issue — goes out of their way to over compensate not being called "Marvel shills" by silencing the very few sticking around here to talk about these films, it becomes pointless. You can see "brave soldiers" fans of Superman Legacy on this very page, and I don’t think you needed me to point that out, it’s just to point out that this holier than thou attitude here against the one dude still sticking around that is passionate enough to talk about Marvel Studios films is pointless. Film bros are as much annoying and passionate as the most staunch Marvel or DC fans. It’s franchise wars all day, every day, while we are slowly seeing the popular experience of moviegoing die, with lots of pointing fingers thrown around.
I saw this Stuckmann video here days ago and I don’t think film bros or Stuckmann which I actually respect understand what is going on:
Not only Scorsese was wrong, but this whole film bro discourse about Marvel and blockbuster is the reason why movie theaters are doomed to become niche and go the way of live theater. What makes movie theaters is the POPULAR EXPERIENCE. When you have film bros echoing misguided criticisms by an old man that doesn’t accept that the times have changed, no wonder that the few people that still used to care about going to the movies will stop caring. If anything, Scorsese is the enemy, not the MCU. He is the one employed by Apple, Netflix, Amazon and etc. He is the one working for those with an actual vested interested on killing cinema, regardless how much I’m a fan of the man. Tragically, what is killing the movie theater experience is the complete lack of vision from film bros that don’t get that in order to movie theaters to survive as they are, they need to be popular. Shaming people for loving the MCU or whatever other franchise that puts butts at movie theaters seats isn’t helping.
Unlike Stuckmann’s optimism, I don’t believe the ‘westerns’ analogy and narrative that is thrown around here. I don’t think movie theaters can survive with Barbie, Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer every other full moon. I don’t think that literally anything other than Deadpool 3 will break out next year and with that, we keep marching to the moviegoing experience slow death and a handful of films can’t save the movie theaters of becoming more and more like a live theatre expensive and boutique experience. The irony is that blockbusters will survive. The Avengers, Star Wars, Spider-Men and Batmen of the world will survive. What we are speed running is the death of movie theaters, while Apple is happy to fall in the film bros good graces by funding $250m vanity projects to Scorsese. I’m not sure if there is something to be done about it. Same for climate change. Maybe it’s already too late, but then again, who cares am I right? I’m sure that a lot of film bros would love to see movie theaters die before acknowledging that Marvel carried a lot of the water up until 2019 and that a MCU film single-handedly reignited the box office less than two years ago with Spider-Man: No Way Home.
Other than that, @SpiderByte is right. It will be two years of hell, even Deadpool 3 blowing up while everything meltdowns at the box office. And if Marvel Studios gets an excellent turnaround leading to Secret Wars, it will be declared dead after that, just like it does every other day here for the last ten years. I’m pretty sure that the death of cinema next year will be proclaimed next year too, when BOT darlings fail to perform. Hell it might not even take that long for the next meltdown.
My advice to @SpiderByte is the same I gave to myself and @Cap the other day: ‘Asgard is not a place, it’s a people’. I’m still speaking my mind on Twitter/Bluesky with my same username, I just don’t feel comfortable as the punching bag for what I believe it has become an incredible toxic place to talk about film. There I don’t need to deal with film bro types angling me at every post I make like <censored> or deal with the absolute wasteland of 40-year-olds or even older than me that get their feelings hurt about films featuring women like The Marvels revealed a lot of people here. These aren’t my peers, these aren’t people I’d want to talk with neither ‘debate’, and if it makes you feel unwelcome as well my advice is, leave. We don’t need this shit on our lives.
Best of luck to BOT, but it has always been the other way around: we don’t need BOT, BOT is that it need us. If the crowd is what it is today, if they will go out of their way to mock extremely valuable users for the absolute shitfest that was The Marvels Opening Weekend thread or for just being passionate about Marvel, DC or whatever gives you a kick, know that it’s BOT that needs you, not the other way around. If the crowd that BOT will cater to its this one, I just don’t want anything to do with it, and I invite anyone that doesn’t feel welcome here anymore to do the same.
TL;DR: The biggest enemy of cinema was never the MCU. MCU, contrary to what Scorsese thinks, actually makes cinema. What is killing cinema is Scorsese’s employer Apple, Netflix. It’s TikTok, YouTube, vapid and fast content. When film bros trash popular films, they are helping to speedrun the death of the movie theaters. Movie theaters wouldn’t survive in the 80s with Scorsese’s films, it wouldn’t survive now with whatever film bros hoped it was popular like it was when they were kids. If we all we do is trash the popular experience, no wonder that the public will just watch whatever at their phones. It’s hard to compete with free, a bunch of weirdos constantly complaining about blockbusters will only accelerate the complete assimilation of our content streaming overlords.
Nah . The general Audience is the chief decider. If they are not interested or think a movie is not worth there time ,they will not turn up.
You can complain about film bros as much as you want or some of us here giving criticism as " haters" . But the critics and audience have also turned around the MCU for giving us less quality . Audience metrics and box office speak for themselves.
If you like current MCU fine and if you want a comfortable space for that ,fine too.
Yeah poeple go overboard and that needs to be handled . But Criticism can help something grow and is a means to hold those in charge accountable.
So don't expect us to see franchise going wayward and act all " happy and everything is fine" when it's not. That would be unrealistic.
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3 hours ago, SpiderByte said:
Could it be because literally every single Marvel thread has become unending waves of "cancel everything, (insert project name here) is doomed" every ten minutes, maybe?
It's really hard to say I'm the one overreacting when people just spent a page talking about how a hypothetical movie would be doomed.
nvm
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10 minutes ago, Arlborn said:
Or, alternatively, if what we think we know about Deadpool's story is true, and it's also a big blockbuster success, it honestly could reset the expectations for the next couple of MCU movies, if they play off it that is.
The whole thing could literally change the MCU completely in one movie, but only if they nail it and have it actually matter by already affecting the next movie.
Will that happen though? No clue, just a scenario that I think might happen.
I disagree. Think 2025 has to stand on the success of it's movies to really change the narrative.
Deadpool may be great but if the subsequent movies are not, it will be a shot fix ,raise the tide a little but it will come crushing down fast again.
In l.5 years we moved from DS2 to the marvels". And that was MCU still in peak levels of excitement to apathy .
Post covid , Audiences have been picky and are in " wait and see" . We have had mega hits surprises followed by mega bombs .
So can see a scenario of alot of excitement for Deadpool 3(500/1.1bn) followed by complete apathy for cap 4(150/400m)
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9 minutes ago, TheFlatLannister said:
these tweets keep going viral on Twitter. Disney really needs to take a hint…no one cares about the Young Avengers.Only Ms marvel and Kate bishop are good but they are not enough to drive tickets.
America Chavez was an absolute nothing burger in MOM.
Ofcorse wiccan and speed will be aged up actors .
Stature ,skaar ,ironheart,kid Loki Who gives a hell ......
This will be a show . A movie like this Barring stellar marketing and reception would bomb so hard.
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Cap 4 is already shooting so can't do anything about that . Only hope for the best.
F4 is F4.
Blade is cheap.
Thunderbolts well hasn't shot anything. If they are to can something ,this should be the one.
Don't know how much will change . But cap4 and this were originally connected so one could hurt the other if Cap 4 ends up bad .
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There is no way captain marvel isn't in next avengers. It would be a PR nightmare.
See rose tico situation where they acknowledge her but reduce her role. Basically like EG where she had little
screentime but slightly worse.
Another is kill her off in avengers movie.
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220ish WW for the marvels l guess.
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In an ideal world . Captain marvel 2: secret invasion . That would have made way more money.
Instead we get a shitty show that ruins good source material . And the marvels with 2 Disney + leads who the audience didn't care about.
Iman vellani is great but she is not a draw for now.
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Will this even get to 90m at this point. Just awful , total rejection.
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41 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Yes, I know, I saw that . Problem is, those ranges of "net budgets" are tied into the whole notion Hollywood Accounting, which makes it incredibly hard to try to sort them by total loss. Never mind figuring out how much money various studios actually got from films theatrical runs.
Many/most of us are data nerds. But as much as it might rankle us data nerds, sometimes things don't have an objective answer. Or rather we peons don't have enough of the hard data to draw objective conclusions. If there even is an objective answer here since one studio might not mind losing as much money on one project as another might on a different one (which is the whole subtext of the KOFTM discussion).
In short, I don't think there is an answer here. Beyond a list of Usual Suspects. A grouping of "Yep, those sure did badly alright" might be the best we can do here. And even then, that's imperfect for various reasons.
Its data set we can use . Once again it's not perfect. Will never know fully know what fully happens behind the studios .
Know there a lot of variables but what better data set can you suggest .
Once again this list is not highest stamp of objectivity . All we know the movies on this list atleast lost considerable amount of money. It could be more or less than declared.
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5 minutes ago, Arlborn said:
I've literally rewatched IM 2 this week and I really can't tell where it is supposed to be better than Quantumania besides expectations I guess.
I suppose we are all sharks who smell blood in the water every so often in our life.
IM2 is one of my worst MCU movies but it's miles better than Quantumania.
Tony's acting alone ,storyline with his father, hammer 's comedic timing are way better than anything quantumania can master up.
Not an MCU thread . But for me the notion that critics harder on it is there to an extent but it's gets a little overexxagerated . The quality has dropped we would be seeing a more clearer divide btn audience and critics . But when critics and audiences agree on the same negative outcome ,there is something wrong with your product.
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5 minutes ago, JustLurking said:
Secret life of pets 2 is fresh. I do not even know by what standards Illumination movies get reviewed.
6 of 13 illumination movies are rotten. Critics don't exactly handle them with gloves either.
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Tbh WDAs hasn't been strong since 2016 when they had Zootopia and Moana .
Wralph wrecks was dissapointing
Frozen 2 felt like it barely had a story
Raya is overrated as hell.
Encanto was decent
Never bothered with strange world.
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2 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:
I dont see mediocre reviewed Disney Animation to play like an illumination movie. In this environment families would just wait for it to hit D+. Presales for early shows tomorrow look meh to me. Worse than Trolls(which itself did not have good previews). But the discount tuesday will be the big day and then there is holiday weekend.
Disney has a brand and reputation so their is a higher internal sub conscious expectation
Illumination animation really targets kids specifically. It just knows how to make fun entertainment for kids to enjoy.
Other than first minions which is the most nothing movie ,can't comfortably watch the rest , it's like animation junk food .
Pixar and WDAs are not this .
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6.50 avg general
Top critics. 5.1/10 avg.
Better hope those early screenings bring initial good WOM.
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Another dissapointnent from WDAs and Disney animation in general.
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6 minutes ago, Veclozy said:
Marvels' budget is $200-$220M according to both trades and UK taxing files. Indy and KOTFM are bigger bombs.
220-270m
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70%+ drop coming . Just nasty.
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Deadline .
Marvels 1.2m Thursday (-31%)
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11 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:
The Hunger Games: The Ballad Of Songbirds & Snakes
$5.75M THU Previews
Turns out deadline was on the money this time.
Yeah female audience is at 65% .Guess they were keeping their money for this rather than the marvels.
Initial postrak is pretty strong . Should be good for 40M+.
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Thanksgiving 5-days Weekend thread | BOSS: 42.2m, Napoleon: 32.75m, Wish: 31.6m, Trolls: 25.6m, Thanksgiving: 10.9m
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500k EA is inclusive in Wish previews according to @Shawn