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I do not look forward to the meltdowns if Super Mario isn't hitting $1B like so many of these predictions are saying.
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1 minute ago, ZattMurdock said:
Actual fans of DC and the superhero genre are far larger. They are noisy and use bots to harass and get what they want. Studios and the public at large know better now.
You're forgetting one more group: General audiences, most of whom are averse to the kind of movies Zack Snyder makes.
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2 minutes ago, YM! said:
I mean Illumination does well overseas but it’s plausible it plays more like Lego Movie/Sonic/Grinch overseas with most of the chatter is from America. Spring is a different beast than summer too but that didn’t stop Zootopia for instance but that’s more of a exception rather than the norm.
Zootopia had crazy strong legs looking back.
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2 minutes ago, XXR Also in Boots said:
I don't think that's more controversial. I'd say under $1B or even 900....or 800....is far more likely than ATSV over $1B.
It'll do great business, but I'm skeptical because it won't have that summer movie blockbuster kind of bump. It'll be more like Sonic 2: Big spring break weekend, then it levels out after.
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I got an even more "controversial" take: Super Mario Bros ain't hitting $1B either. In fact, I think I might even miss $900M.
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3 minutes ago, XXR Also in Boots said:
Add me to the "lmao wat" group because ATSV is not making $1B.
At best it tops $600-700M.
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No. Just... no. Across the Spider-Verse is going to make a lot of money. But there's no universe where it winds up making $1B in this crowded summer environment.
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32 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:
super mario and spider-verse 2 will do well as fanboy properties. think Elemental and Wish should be sweating a little bit.
Wish practically sells itself by being a Princess musical. Elemental is a bit more of a wild card but it has an easy premise to market.
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23 minutes ago, Ohana said:
Snyder fans are still DC fans, you can't deny his movies has a large fan base.
He has a loyal and passionate fanbase, but they're not large by any means.
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14 minutes ago, Hatebox said:
You could have some fun Cultural Impact™ debates around Shrek. Huge hits at the time but I think the earnestness of Pixar won out and remains the feature animation template to this day.
Shrek did have a cultural impact. Just maybe not in ways that helped its reputation age well.
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28 minutes ago, YM! said:
That 3.1M for Puss is bad but Early Access can inflate it some, however it could rebound because there’s idk a big fucking storm about to hit and maybe this is hypothetical based on years of history but New Years and a free slate until Mario might help.
I agree Covid has fucked theatrical animation and the only way to stop
the effect like far longer windows isn’t what studios want to do, but 2023 shit like Mario and SpiderVerse won’t be doomed to do Lightyear numbers like some people trying to bait are doing especially when both are highly anticipated outside of kids. If SpiderVerse doesn’t hit expectations which I personally think it won’t is because the people at Sony foolishly thought it stand a chance in a too crowded summer, and if Mario doesn’t hit probably too high expectations and does idk around 200m domestic which is still a fantastic result, it’s because we had another Pikachu we didn’t anticipate. A lot of animation that flopped this year was highly unappealing too (Lightyear, Super Pets, Lyle, Strange World) and we had so little animation in the first place this year and if Bad Guys didn’t open against Sonic 2 and Beasts and maybe moved earlier it’d have stronger results.
2023 looks like a much stronger year for animation.
Mario is a surefire hit, Spider-Verse 2 has a lot of goodwill, Elemental should be an easier sell than Lightyear, Wish is a Disney Princess movie so it practically sells itself.
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2 minutes ago, Brainbug said:
Imo, when it comes to Shrek, its less about the movies themes/plot and more about the character itself. Everyone who is right now over 20 years old knows Shrek and most of them have seen atleast 1 of the movies. Shrek is a giant part of meme and pop culture. A fifth movie that comes close to the quality of Shrek 1 and 2 would be massive.
If it's as good as those first two, yes.
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6 minutes ago, THUNDER BIRD said:
You need to have Shrek in order to bank on Shrek nostalgia at first place.
You didn't, you had Puss.
The first movie made $555M worldwide when the franchise was still fresh in people's minds.
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6 minutes ago, Brainbug said:
Though Puss in Boots isnt Shrek himself. I still actually think a fifth Shrek movie could do bonkers if its well-made. Thats like everyones childhood right there, people would come.
Would it, though? Shrek was successful because there was nothing else like it in western animation at the time. But by 2007, every studio wanted to make their own "subversive fairy tale" movie. Hell, even Disney has been poking fun of themselves in their movies starting with "Enchanted". It doesn't help that Shrek 3 and 4 aren't as beloved as the first two.
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Just now, reddevil19 said:
Nah. Gentleminions would not have impacted the families with kids that are skipping every other animated film in cinemas.
The overseas success is down to the Minions themselves being very broadly appealing. Animation can be less impacted by cross-border cultural differences when it plays young in any case, but Minions is on a whole different level. It's almost exclusively physical on a Laurel & Hardy level, with nonsense gobbledegook dialogue and sound effects, that consistently hits with kids internationally. And that style of comedy also means that when your audience grows out of it, there is a new audience already there, without needing inbuilt knowledge of the series, but rather the yellow shits themsleves, helped by the broad appeal and large market presence of the toys (instantly recognisable shape, large eyes, goofy faces - broad child appeal).
And nostalgia. There are kids who saw the first Despicable Me years ago who have a fondness for those little guys.
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Part of it could be the weather. The other part could be that Shrek nostalgia isn't as strong as some people thought.
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Number 1 on Fandango's Top 5 Most Anticipated Family Films of 2023
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When can we expect to see some preview numbers?
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22 minutes ago, ThePhasmid said:
Heads will roll. Some fans will be disappointed, but this is a necessary step to ensure DCU gets it shit back in order. Of course, as with any change in DCU, fans will do rants for years until the final product is released. The changing of the guard, so to speak, is exponentially harder in these dark days of social media. I kinda feel bad for Gunn. Making necessary changes in an age where every fanzine can leak internal dealings on Twitter to fan the flame of trolls has got to be a headache.
It's a hard job with a lot of drawbacks. But it needs to be done.
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I think this could wind up being a major bomb.
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If they're smart, they'll promote one of the songs like they did for "Let it Go".
The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other
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