JWR
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15 minutes ago, Morieris said:
...I like the music and I like her jacket. I can count on one hand the amount of romantic comedies I have watched in 10 years (only 2), but I might be more interested than I thought.
I wonder if fire people are like a minority in this world.
The actress who does her voice is Asian-American, so I think they're going for a similar angle.
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Looks promising. Though I'm expecting the main character to be very popular for certain reasons....
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4 minutes ago, Verrows said:
Fair points, but I don't know if it's just about reception at this point. When it comes down to it, will audiences go see this in theatres en masse? Disney Animations (referring to both Pixar and WDAS collectively) have quickly depreciated in value to the point where people are content to wait to throw this on the TV at home.
The streaming numbers don't mean anything to me. McDonald's is at the bottom of the ladder in terms of how people view their food, yet they do amazing business and are one of the most valuable restaurants in the world.
I still contend that it will get better as the situation with covid continues to improve. And to be fair, it's not just a Disney and Pixar thing. Aside from Illumination, animated family films have been struggling to get past $250M (The Bad Guys, DC League of Super Pets, etc).
It'll be a while before we regularly see these movies hit the numbers we're used to seeing from them. But I do think that this, Puss in Boots, Spider-Verse 2, and Wish are gonna start reversing that trend.
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3 minutes ago, Seth Irskens said:
The Trailer has just been rated on British Columbia Canad Film Classification site https://www.consumerprotectionbc.ca/motion-picture-ratings/classification-details/?cpbc_id=553346
It's gotta be Immenit!
So either tomorrow or some time early next week.
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5 minutes ago, Macleod said:
Is J.K. Rowling’s ‘Fantastic Beasts’ Franchise Dead at Warner Bros?
Biggest non-surprise of the year, of course...
Obviously Zassy would like nothing more than a pure Potter return...
Easier said than done...
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7 minutes ago, snarkmachine said:
I feel like the Marauders prequel is the correct way to go. Still has the Hogwarts link, obviously close link to Harry, many of the HP characters like Sirius, Lupin and Snape are in it so there's familiarity.
Maybe a TV show, but I'm not so sure about a movie.
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14 hours ago, jedijake said:
Well, that's complicated. I think Wish will tap back into the interest of those who have made certain classics of recent years (Frozen, Moana, Coco, Encanto). But financially, that will all depend on what direction they take with the theaters. If SW does poorly and comes out on D+ at Christmas and Elemental doesn't do that well, then they may be WAY too far gone to keep an animated film in theaters with expectations of high theatrical yield. It would have been 4 years since there was a successful Disney animated film at that point.
Critically-who knows. While Pixar took a massive step back with LY in terms of critics, WDAS still has not made a stinker since Good Dino (that I remember).
Then there's audience. Encanto couldn't do squat at the theater and has become tremendously beloved. I think Wish could do the same thing. It could fail at the BO but become very very popular. Seems to be a trend since COVID unfortunately. You can only trick people into thinking a movie will stay in theaters so much.
See, I don't know if I believe that. Encanto and Raya came out during a time when Covid was still super prevalent. Not to mention that most children and families weren't fully vaccinated until late 2021. Same with Soul and Luca.
Pulling Turning Red from theaters was definitely a mistake, especially after seeing the reception it got over Lightyear. Speaking of Lightyear, that one had all sorts of unique things working against it (beyond the Gay kiss controversy):
- A confusing marketing campaign (GA didn't know if it was a prequel, reboot, etc)
- A niche premise (People like Buzz Lightyear the action figure who hangs out with the cowboy doll, not the movie he's based on)
- Stiff competition
- Middling reviews
- Tepid word of mouth
It was never going to make Toy Story money, but those last two points were the final nail in the coffin.
Elemental, by contrast, looks like more typical Pixar fare and will at least be easier to market because of its straightforward premise. But in the end, it's gonna come down to the reception.
Even if it's not A+ Pixar material, something would have to terribly wrong for Elemental to bomb as hard as Lightyear. But if it gets Inside Out, Coco, or even Soul level reception, I think it's gonna have strong legs.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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16 hours ago, Potiki said:
I was thinking about this and the worst part of this compared to Fox/Disney layoffs is that there really isn't a lot of places for any employees who are let go from Disney (or WBD, Netflix, NBCUniversal etc.) to go as compared to 2018/2019 when Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Warner etc. were all ramping up in terms of getting all sorts of media employees.
Also as I said in the Disney+ thread hopefully any layoffs are minimal.
As do I. Hopefully, things don't get worse and lead to more layoffs.
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3 minutes ago, jedijake said:
Wish will be WDAS's version of No Way Home. They're supposed to be bringing in various classic Disney villains. Also, Asha is going to be a multi-cultural heroine. And it's a musical. I think it is going to be a smash on the lines of Encanto or even Frozen.
Elementals-who knows. Not sure if it will reach the heights of Inside Out.
Now, all that said, I don't necessarily mean they will be big at the box office, just with audiences.
Financially or critically?
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Wish is celebrating Disney's 100th anniversary and this seems like a much more traditional, less controversial Pixar fare. Not a guarantee it'll be a huge hit, but the fact that Chapek reiterated that this would he a theatrical release at D23 and the investor call indicates that they're at least more confident in this compared to Lightyear and Strange World.
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7 minutes ago, Verrows said:
Awesome, but I've kind of lost all hope at this point in Pixar's or Disney Animation films coming close to being hits.
Screw Chapek. I despise that guy.
I'm confident that Elemental and Wish will reverse the trend.
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2 hours ago, Macleod said:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. 😁 You act as if there have never been surprising comebacks happen in Hollywood before... I'd say this is 60/40 more likely to happen than not...but *obviously* Zaslav is going to keep trying to get the old gang back together... Lots of money and one good PR statement from all parties involved can solve a whooooole lot of ill-will.
There are a lot of stars that would have to align for it to happen, though.
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Director Pete Sohn confirms the first teaser will drop "soon".
https://twitter.com/DisneyAPromos/status/1592540259300282369?t=88V7fMzBpX548XGHK7Vjew&s=19
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11 hours ago, Macleod said:
"Everyone has a price."
Not here. The actors ain't coming back as long as Rowling is attached and Rowling has near universal control over what WB can do with her IP.
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Guess we'll see how they plan on marketing this with that first trailer.
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If this, Elemental, and Wish all bomb consecutively, I think it bodes extremely poorly for Disney animation under Bob Chapek.
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16 hours ago, poweranimals said:
They started to but then they abandoned it after getting off to a rocky start. Personally, I think they made a mistake by rushing it.
BvS poisoned the chalice and is the root of a lot of this franchise's problems.
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Question: Is $1B ww still possible?
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3 minutes ago, AJG said:
EARNINGS CALL TIME BITCH!!!!
https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disneys-fiscal-full-year-and-q4-2022-earnings-results-webcast/
This should be interesting
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Elemental | Disney/Pixar | June 16, 2023 | What if elements have feelings?????? 😱😱😱😱 | Surprise sleeper hit with the biggest 2023 premiere on Disney+
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My initial prediction (assuming this is S Tier Pixar):
$60M OW
$200 - 220M DOM
$500 - 700M WW