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Which is saying absolutely nothing if we're talking about MCU sequels...

It takes itself just as seriously as something like TDK, yet lacks the narrative heft and memorable characters and moments of a film like that. As such it is hard to watch more than once. There ya go.

But truly "bad" film-making really isn't all that subjective. I don't think IM2 exhibits that.

I've honestly never seen people calling IM2 awful until just now. Just really, really generic and disappointing.

Can you imagine if they actually still pushed ahead with the planned sequel.

It's waaaaaaaay too vanilla to be anything, including bad.

Well I guess maybe with Seame...err I mean Aquaman.

I only saw Elektra the one time, but I honestly just remember it being utterly forgettable and unnecessary more than I remember it being awful. Catwoman and both Ghost Rider's I thought were awful for example.

Fox is going to have to market Apocalypse as being "From the studio that ABSOLUTELY DID NOT bring you Fant4stic...no really, you're mistaken. Wasn't us."

I meant that as a list of the CBM bomb of their decade, not the only bombs. I think it's safe to say no other CBM will challenge Fant4stic's overall utter failure the rest of this decade.

True, but if you factor general inflation then Catwoman's budget from 11 years ago is probably close to Fant4stic's.

The CBM debacles of the decades: 80's: Superman IV 90's: Batman and Robin 00's: Catwoman 10's: Fant4stic Hey at least the title won't belong to a DC one this decade, which given Green Lantern's existence is pretty amazing.

Actually it looks like Catwoman could be the perfect comparison to Fant4stic in terms of budget, gross, and reception. Now if it kills Teller's promising career chances like Catwoman did for Berry, they'll really be parallels.

O/U Catwoman DOM?

Maybe we'll be asked to rank and predict every wide release next summer. I'd take on the challenge!

Which brings me to the other point. Just how big are NWA these days? I mean I'm sure the youth from the early 90's will be interested, but how about the younger demo? I feel like today's teens have practically forgotten the 90's guys. They weren't even that big anymore when I was a teen. Everyone was too busy listening to Eminem and Fiddy and (*vomits*) Nelly to care much.

Is that a huge part of SOC though? I thought it's more concerned with being a biopic of the NWA's rise to stardom than a social commentary. Which by the way, sure did Selma no favors this year.

It's got a better chance than The Martian. The marketing has been a major effort in the vein of a tent-pole film and has done a good job aiming to several demos. It's advertised as a straight forward true event survival story of the most publicly infatuated mountain in the world. And they're marketing t as something you should see in theaters for the scope. Also we will be pretty deprived of any big new releases by then. It should be time for one. It still needs to have great WOM though to get to 200, never going to get there just off of OW.

I guess. Although Notorious in '09 should have had a lot of the same going for it and finished sub 40m. Granted, SOC seems to be getting much better reviews, hence why i think it can do 60+. 100+ I'll have to see happen.

Btw, Fant Four Stic may be the origin of where it all started going so wrong.

At least Fant4stic should make us all appreciate MCU more. They may not always be great, but they're never bad either.

Hey, maybe I just cracked the code for Azkaban's severe drop off from the first two! No Voldy felt like no advancement of the franchise's central conflict to the GA.

You mean the only film/book he wasn't even in?

On Mars where John Carter is Avatar.

Again I say, directed by Ridley Scott. Even when I personally like his movies, the GA never seems to these days.