The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

[SpiderByte]

19 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Exclusive:

The Marvels net budget as per Disney is $218m. Disney spent $276m on The Marvels.

 

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12822659/filing-history

Net budget is not the same as what's being talked about here.

[Veclozy]

1 minute ago, Willowra said:

No need to wait for trades now, as per Disney budget is $218m. Expect article from Forbes in few days that "Disney spent 276m on The Marvels"

Your source is the same as Forbes' when they reported it the last two Jurassic World movies cost $850M to make. Trades don't report these ridiculous numbers.

[Willowra]

1 minute ago, SpiderByte said:

Net budget is not the same as what's being talked about here.

Don't you understand? Disney spent $276m as of September 30 2022 on The Marvels & got $58m back in tax rebates, so the net budget of The Marvels as per Disney official filing is $218m.

[SpiderByte]

A common misconception with stuff like net budgets is it assumes that it's only on the movie to make all that back, when net budgets include stuff like merch and promo tie ins, even dumb shit like stickers on bananas. Why does transformers keep going even with weaker box office than it's peak? Because that shit makes money hand over fist in toy sales. So just focusing on the total amount of money spent on everything isn't as practical as just the actual production budget.

[toutvabien]

On a less doom-y note, I'm confident on this and their 2024 slate not breaking Marvel's current streak of $100M+ openings. If it continues through Thunderbolts, that's gonna be 10 films back to back.

[Willowra]

6 minutes ago, Veclozy said:

Your source is the same as Forbes' when they reported it the last two Jurassic World movies cost $850M to make. Trades don't report these ridiculous numbers.

That includes participation lmao. Here The Marvels hasn't been released yet so participation money isn't included in the budget, it will be included in next year filing.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Willowra

[PlatnumRoyce]

5 minutes ago, Veclozy said:

Your source is the same as Forbes' when they reported it the last two Jurassic World movies cost $850M to make. Trades don't report these ridiculous numbers.

Read the fine print! "UK Tax credit rebate budget number" is different from raw production budget number in many respects. Two key ones are (1) no pre-production and (2) residuals and participations are folded into the film's budget.

 

Counting Depp & Co's profit split as salary is why you'll still get dumb articles claiming PotC 4 was the most expensive film before Endgame (despite plenty of reporting saying it was less expensive than Dead Man's Chest/World's End). 

I mean, they're still not directly comparable with trade budgets but some points of error don't exist because we're looking at a pre-release snapshot. 

[Megajohn01]

6 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Don't you understand? Disney spent $276m as of September 30 2022 on The Marvels & got $58m back in tax rebates, so the net budget of The Marvels as per Disney official filing is $218m.

Judging by your recent posts. It seems you harbor  quite the agenda towards Disney films especially female led ones. You clearly have no idea how budgets work judging by your commentary which right out of the gate has quite the agenda attached to it 

[Willowra]

13 minutes ago, Willowra said:

No need to wait for trades now, as per Disney budget is $218m. Expect article from Forbes in few days that "Disney spent 276m on The Marvels"

One thing to note here. Deadline counts Video cost separately, so if this budget includes video cost, then the net budget figure could decrease by around $40m in Deadline figure.

[Bob Train]

11 minutes ago, toutvabien said:

On a less doom-y note, I'm confident on this and their 2024 slate not breaking Marvel's current streak of $100M+ openings. If it continues through Thunderbolts, that's gonna be 10 films back to back.

Highly doubt Cap 4 can open over $100m, Thunderbolts is less likely to because it opens in Holidays (although could get delayed). Marvels is still TBD but I doubt it can open over $100m as it's not being boosted by Kang.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Bob Train

[Squire]

22 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Why? Marvel already plans for reshoots in all their productions.

Because the first movie cost $152-175M 5 years ago. 
 

The extent of the re-shoots may also have been more than expected. 

[Willowra]

2 minutes ago, Megajohn01 said:

Judging by your recent posts. It seems you harbor  quite the agenda towards Disney films especially female led ones. You clearly have no idea how budgets work judging by your commentary which right out of the gate has quite the agenda attached to it 

GOTG3 budget is 250 million se per deadline; WF budget was 250 million as per variety and 200 million as per deadline. Do they all have an agenda against Disney movies? And variety has an agenda against female-led movies? The reality is that Disney itself had an agenda against the Marvels. They changed the title of the movie, sidelined the lead character from phase 4, totally neglected this movie, and didn't even talk about it at SDCC 2019 and 2022. Feige announced or talked about every phase 4 or phase 5 movie at SDCC except The Marvels; this is what I call the agenda.

[toutvabien]

4 minutes ago, Bob Train said:

Highly doubt Cap 4 can open over $100m, Thunderbolts is less likely to because it opens in Holidays (although could get delayed). Marvels is still TBD but I doubt it can open over $100m as it's not being boosted by Kang.

If it gets good buzz, I feel good about the $100-120M range for The Marvel's opening. From there, it depends on if MCU can get a couple of different well received projects back-to-back, especially on the film side. If DP3 comes out before NWO and is well liked, NWO could open bigger than all the 2023 CBMs. If that's well liked, similar fate for Thunderbolts etc.

[Megajohn01]

2 minutes ago, Squire said:

Because the first movie cost $152-175M 5 years ago. 
 

The extent of the re-shoots may also have been more than expected. 

Marvel has stated over and over that they bake reshoots into the productions so unless the have essentially reshot the film ala Justice League 2017, it’s highly doubtful that the cost has significantly shot up 

[Megajohn01]

6 minutes ago, Willowra said:

GOTG3 budget is 250 million se per deadline; WF budget was 250 million as per variety and 200 million as per deadline. Do they all have an agenda against Disney movies? And variety has an agenda against female-led movies? The reality is that Disney itself had an agenda against the Marvels. They changed the title of the movie, sidelined the lead character from phase 4, totally neglected this movie, and didn't even talk about it at SDCC 2019 and 2022. Feige announced or talked about every phase 4 or phase 5 movie at SDCC except The Marvels; this is what I call the agenda.

You just proved my point 😂😂😂it’s kind of embarrassing at this point. Instead of answering the question you deflected it by bringing in different outlets which had nothing to do with the question.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Megajohn01
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[Veclozy]

9 minutes ago, Willowra said:

That includes participation lmao. Here The Marvels hasn't been released yet so participation money isn't included in the budget, it will be included in next year filing.

Fallen Kingdom's budget was already at $250M by August 2018. Also, that $516M number from Forbes for Fallen Kingdom is still far higher than Deadline's estimates for its budget including residuals and participations.

[Willowra]

1 minute ago, Megajohn01 said:

You just proved my point 😂😂😂it’s kind of embarrassing at this point 

I proved nothing lmao. You're hallucinating. Saying a movie has this budget is an agenda now lmao.

[Veclozy]

24 minutes ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

Read the fine print! "UK Tax credit rebate budget number" is different from raw production budget number in many respects. Two key ones are (1) no pre-production and (2) residuals and participations are folded into the film's budget.

 

Counting Depp & Co's profit split as salary is why you'll still get dumb articles claiming PotC 4 was the most expensive film before Endgame (despite plenty of reporting saying it was less expensive than Dead Man's Chest/World's End). 

I mean, they're still not directly comparable with trade budgets but some points of error don't exist because we're looking at a pre-release snapshot. 

Deadline estimates for Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom including residuals and participations: $395M

Forbes estimates for Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom including residuals and participations: $516M

[Megajohn01]

1 minute ago, Willowra said:

I proved nothing lmao. You're hallucinating. Saying a movie has this budget is an agenda now lmao.

Actually framing a film’s budget in the manner and intent you have been doing is the agenda 😂😂😂 

 

[Willowra]

3 minutes ago, Megajohn01 said:

Actually framing a film’s budget in the manner and intent you have been doing is the agenda 😂😂😂 

 

What manner? Atleast I said net budget is $218m not $276m, you won't find such headline from Forbes. They would make such a headline "The Marvels cost $276m".

Edited September 19, 2023 by Willowra