China Box Office Thread | Deadpool & Wolverine- July 26

[Olive]

Thanks, Bob. Really appreciated. Please, guys, let me know if you will see any advertising for Stalingrad.

[A Marvel Fanboy]

re: earlier discussion about stars popular in China

 

 

Go further, the top most famous foreign movie stars in China in history likely will include: 

Charlie Chaplin, Clark Gable/Vivien Leigh, Ingrid Bergman, Marilyn Monroe, Audrey Hepburn/Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, Arnold Schwarzenegger/Sylvester Stallone, Tom Cruise/Tom Hanks, Sophie Marceau, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc.

 

"Is Arnold a draw ?" I think Bob explained it well.

Edited October 12, 2013 by firedeep

[juni78ukr]

Any updates for Now You See Me?

[Leyla]

I don't think it's possible to say because it's been so long since he's had a release. T3 came out in 2003 and only did 28m yuan, but 2003 was such a horrible year at the box office that 28m yuan was enough for #8. Anyway a lot of time has passed and the market (and the audience) is totally different now. Schwarzenegger is definitely one of the most famous stars, but that's true the world over and it didn't help The Last Stand in other countries. Lots of people have already seen TLS in China and the reactions mostly range from "this sucks" to "it was okay," same as everywhere else. A lot is riding on whether Escape Plan is actually, y'know, a good movie.

yeah seems like the same situation as here

i just wonder why out of all films the quota was given to this absolutely unremarkable film when there are lots of better choices 

 

Go further, the top most famous foreign movie stars in China in history likely will include: 

Charlie Chaplin, Clark Gable/Vivien Leigh, Ingrid Bergman, Marilyn Monroe, Audrey Hepburn/Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, Arnold Schwarzenegger/Sylvester Stallone, Tom Cruise/Tom Hanks, Sophie Marceau, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc.

Informative

esp interesting abt Sophie Marceau. didnt expect to see her on that list. She's def very well known here as well

Edited October 12, 2013 by Leyla

[A Marvel Fanboy]

Any updates for Now You See Me?

Saturday est. 16.8M. 39M after 3 days. Probably 52m first 4-days OW.

[Leyla]

Saturday est. 16.8M. 39M after 3 days. Probably 52m first 4-days OW.

really good

 

November is Chinese Hemsworth month  hopefully both Thor & Rush have nice #s

[zackzack]

really good

 

November is Chinese Hemsworth month  hopefully both Thor & Rush have nice #s

 

They love doing this yes? Pitting one star vehicle against another of his own

[Olive]

Sunday estimates

yuan

1.NYSM 21M~61M

2.YDD 16.5M~545M

3. Love Will Tear Us Apart  16M~ 32.6M

4. TLR 4.8M ~72.8M

Turbo 112m total

[A Marvel Fanboy]

Reliable rumored dates:

 

Hotel Transylvania ---- 10.29 ---- 3D

Stalingrad  ---- 10.31 ---- IMAX/3D

Thor the Dark World  ---- 11.8 ---- IMAX/3D/2D

Gravity  ---- 11.20 ---- IMAX/3D

Catching Fire ---- 11.22 ----IMAX/2D

RUSH ---- 11 ---- 2D

Snowpiercer ---- 12 ---- International cut

[Bob Violence]

Gravity going up against CF is a surprise given that China Film Group bought the rights for CF. Of course they make money either way, but still...

 

Questions, questions:

 

That is excellent for TDW if true. That's the first day-and-date release of the year, isn't it? (I'm not counting IM3, since it opened ahead of the U.S. release but after the international debut.) CF will be the second but that's not surprising given CFG's role.

 

Hotel Transylvania? There's a certain logic to it, I guess, but it's a Sony film. So does that mean Sony has two buyout releases this year (RE5 was the other, if I'm not mistaken)?

 

What is the "international cut" of Snowpiercer? That's not the Weinstein cut, is it? They shouldn't have anything to do with the film outside English-speaking territories. Is this like a Grandmaster situation where there were three cuts (original, "international," Weinstein)?

Edited October 15, 2013 by Bob Violence

[A Marvel Fanboy]

Gravity going up against CF is a surprise given that China Film Group bought the rights for CF. Of course they make money either way, but still...

 

Questions, questions:

 

That is excellent for TDW if true. That's the first day-and-date release of the year, isn't it? (I'm not counting IM3, since it opened ahead of the U.S. release but after the international debut.) CF will be the second but that's not surprising given CFG's role.

 

Hotel Transylvania? There's a certain logic to it, I guess, but it's a Sony film. So does that mean Sony has two buyout releases this year (RE5 was the other, if I'm not mistaken)?

 

What is the "international cut" of Snowpiercer? That's not the Weinstein cut, is it? They shouldn't have anything to do with the film outside English-speaking territories. Is this like a Grandmaster situation where there were three cuts (original, "international," Weinstein)?

I doubt all the dates can stay true by the time ...

 

TDW would be the only synchronous revenue sharing release of 2013 in that case. 2012 had, like, 5.

 

Sony Pictures this year have: Skyfall, Django Unchained, After Earth, White House Down, Elysium, Smurfs 2, Stalingrad; RE5, Hotel Transylvania. That is indeed a good number of films. Though the quota of Hotel Transylvania was supposed to be for Cloudy 2 I guess. On the other hand, Paramount only have 3 releases, Universal 4.

 

China will have the shorter (American) cut of Snowpiercer ...

[Bob Violence]

So did Fly Me to the Moon lose its quota slot? Because otherwise that's 35 slots (26 through The Lone Ranger + The Last Stand, Fly Me to the Moon, Hotel Transylvania, Stalingrad, TDW, Gravity, Rush, Snowpiercer = 35). So one of those upcoming releases must be a buyout and Fly Me to the Moon seems more likely than the others.

 

And if Snowpiercer's the Weinstein cut then they've lost my sale, at least. What the Weinsteins do shouldn't be carried over to territories where they don't own the rights. CJ shouldn't even be selling that version.

[zackzack]

China pitting GRAVITY against CF shows that they are not so keen in releasing this movie.

Anybody cares to comment?

[A Marvel Fanboy]

So did Fly Me to the Moon lose its quota slot? Because otherwise that's 35 slots (26 through The Lone Ranger + The Last Stand, Fly Me to the Moon, Hotel Transylvania, Stalingrad, TDW, Gravity, Rush, Snowpiercer = 35). So one of those upcoming releases must be a buyout and Fly Me to the Moon seems more likely than the others.

 

And if Snowpiercer's the Weinstein cut then they've lost my sale, at least. What the Weinsteins do shouldn't be carried over to territories where they don't own the rights. CJ shouldn't even be selling that version.

 

1. The Thieves (1.15)  (this film just got discredited; now it becomes a buyout release)

2. Skyfall (1.20)

 

3. Jack Reacher (2.16)

4. Hobbit An Unexpected Journey (2.22)

5. Les Miserables (2.28)

 

6. A Good Day to Die Hard (3.15)

7. Jack the Giant Slayer (3.25)

8. Oz the Great and Powerful (3.29)

 

9. G.I.Joe 2 (4.15)

10. The Croods (4.20)

 

11. Django Unchained (5.12)

12. Oblivion (5.12)

13. Star Trek into Darkness (5.28)

 

14. Man of Steel (6.20)

 

15. After Earth (7.12)

16. Sur la piste du Marsupilami (7.17)

17. White House Down (7.22)

18. Fast Six (7.26)

19. Pacific Rim (7.31)

 

20. Jurrasic Park (8.20)

21. Monsters University (8.23)

22. The Great Gatsby (8.30)

 

23. Elysium (9.5)

24. Smurfs 2 (9.12)

25. Turbo (9.18)

 

26. The Lone Ranger (10.5)

27. Wolverine (10.17)

28. The Last Stand (10.24)

29. Fly Me to the Moon (10.25)

30. Stalingrad (10.31)

 

31. Thor 2 (11.8)

32. Gravity (11.20)

33. RUSH (11)

 

34. Snowpiercer (12)

 

(34). Still uncredited at the moment (could be Frozen or whatever ... you know)

 

So still 34 in total.

 

Hotel Transylvania is a buyout movie, at least for this moment, so was RE5. It is said the total quota could be lifted to 35 or 36 in theory. But I doubt CFC are actually interested on doing that.

 

Of the 34 films above, the 14 3D/IMAX quotas are: 

1. Hobbit An Unexpected Journey (2.22)

2. Jack the Giant Slayer (3.25)

3. Oz the Great and Powerful (3.29)

4. G.I.Joe 2 (4.15)

5. The Croods (4.20)

6. Star Trek into Darkness (5.28)

7. Man of Steel (6.20)

8. Pacific Rim (7.31)

9. Jurrasic Park (8.20)

10. Monsters University (8.23)

11. Smurfs 2 (9.12)

12. Turbo (9.18)

13. Gravity (11)

14. The uncredited one ...

 

This year has 19 buyout releases:

1. The Thieves (1.25)

2. Cloud Atlas (1.31)

3. Stolen (3.1)

4. Dredd (3.1)

5. Upside Down (3.7)

6. The Iron Lady (3.8)

7. RE5 (3.17)

8. Starbuck (4.29)

9. Ironman 3 (5.1)

10. Colombiana (6.7)

11. Sammy's avonturen 2 (6.28)

12. Bullet to the Head (7.9)

13. The Impossible (8.29)

14. Avgust. Vosmogo (9.13)

15. Jobs (9.27)

16. Now You See Me (10.10)

17. Hotel Transylvania (10.29)

18. Escape Plan (10.29)

19. Catching Fire (11.22)

 

There are several other undated buyouts like Ender's Game,  Red 2, etc. But I doubt any of those can get released within 2013. Last Year (2012) there were at least 52.

 

In total 2013 will have 53  foreign releases (34+19) or so. 2012 had 86 (34 + 52).

 

Obvious and important changes in 2013 compared with 2012:

1. Revenue-sharing imported films get delayed longer than previous years on average.

2. The number of buyout foreign movies declined by (more than) half. In other words, the buyout market is dying.

 

In the recent few years before 2012, up to 50 buyout movies were allowed every year. (Plus another 20 revenue sharing movies per year). Since 2012 (included), there are no longer quota limitation on the yearly number of buyout movies. (Plus 34 revenue sharing movies per year).

 

The result ? Hence the number of revenue sharing movies increased by 14 in 2012, the number of buyout movies immediately declined by half the year followed. 

 

More space/slots for revenue sharing movies, less space/slots for buyout ones. It would be much more understandable ... if the total number of foreign releases basically stays flat in 2013. It didnt. From 86 to 53, that's some 30 movies missing.

 

It is not all CFC's fault though ... there are some other major reasons: buyout releases can hardly be profitable these days; less and less non-state-backed distributors are able to handle these movies; many potential buyout movies just directly go to VOD on popular Chinese video sites.

Edited October 15, 2013 by firedeep

[A Marvel Fanboy]

China pitting GRAVITY against CF shows that they are not so keen in releasing this movie.

Anybody cares to comment?

Believe me, China (or CFC to be specificly), are never keen to release any foreign movie without their own investments.

[juni78ukr]

Stalingrad is also 3D/IMAX movie.

[A Marvel Fanboy]

Stalingrad is also 3D/IMAX movie.

It was. Until its status got changed a few days ago. It is now an ordinary quota and will have 3D/IMAX 3D and some 2D screens.

[juni78ukr]

It was. Until its status got changed a few days ago. It is now an ordinary quota and will have 3D/IMAX 3D and some 2D screens.

 

How much do you think it can make in China with supposed very wide release? 

[A Marvel Fanboy]

How much do you think it can make in China with supposed very wide release? 

No idea ... maybe $10m ...

[efialtes76]

 

1. The Thieves (1.15)  (this film just got discredited; now it becomes a buyout release)

2. Skyfall (1.20)

 

3. Jack Reacher (2.16)

4. Hobbit An Unexpected Journey (2.22)

5. Les Miserables (2.28)

 

6. A Good Day to Die Hard (3.15)

7. Jack the Giant Slayer (3.25)

8. Oz the Great and Powerful (3.29)

 

9. G.I.Joe 2 (4.15)

10. The Croods (4.20)

 

11. Django Unchained (5.12)

12. Oblivion (5.12)

13. Star Trek into Darkness (5.28)

 

14. Man of Steel (6.20)

 

15. After Earth (7.12)

16. Sur la piste du Marsupilami (7.17)

17. White House Down (7.22)

18. Fast Six (7.26)

19. Pacific Rim (7.31)

 

20. Jurrasic Park (8.20)

21. Monsters University (8.23)

22. The Great Gatsby (8.30)

 

23. Elysium (9.5)

24. Smurfs 2 (9.12)

25. Turbo (9.18)

 

26. The Lone Ranger (10.5)

27. Wolverine (10.17)

28. The Last Stand (10.24)

29. Fly Me to the Moon (10.25)

30. Stalingrad (10.31)

 

31. Thor 2 (11.8)

32. Gravity (11.20)

33. RUSH (11)

 

34. Snowpiercer (12)

 

(34). Still uncredited at the moment (could be Frozen or whatever ... you know)

 

So still 34 in total.

 

Hotel Transylvania is a buyout movie, at least for this moment, so was RE5. It is said the total quota could be lifted to 35 or 36 in theory. But I doubt CFC are actually interested on doing that.

 

Of the 34 films above, the 14 3D/IMAX quotas are: 

1. Hobbit An Unexpected Journey (2.22)

2. Jack the Giant Slayer (3.25)

3. Oz the Great and Powerful (3.29)

4. G.I.Joe 2 (4.15)

5. The Croods (4.20)

6. Star Trek into Darkness (5.28)

7. Man of Steel (6.20)

8. Pacific Rim (7.31)

9. Jurrasic Park (8.20)

10. Monsters University (8.23)

11. Smurfs 2 (9.12)

12. Turbo (9.18)

13. Gravity (11)

14. The uncredited one ...

 

This year has 19 buyout releases:

1. The Thieves (1.25)

2. Cloud Atlas (1.31)

3. Stolen (3.1)

4. Dredd (3.1)

5. Upside Down (3.7)

6. The Iron Lady (3.8)

7. RE5 (3.17)

8. Starbuck (4.29)

9. Ironman 3 (5.1)

10. Colombiana (6.7)

11. Sammy's avonturen 2 (6.28)

12. Bullet to the Head (7.9)

13. The Impossible (8.29)

14. Avgust. Vosmogo (9.13)

15. Jobs (9.27)

16. Now You See Me (10.10)

17. Hotel Transylvania (10.29)

18. Escape Plan (10.29)

19. Catching Fire (11.22)

 

There are several other undated buyouts like Ender's Game,  Red 2, etc. But I doubt any of those can get released within 2013. Last Year (2012) there were at least 52.

 

In total 2013 will have 53  foreign releases (34+19) or so. 2012 had 86 (34 + 52).

 

Obvious and important changes in 2013 compared with 2012:

1. Revenue-sharing imported films get delayed longer than previous years on average.

2. The number of buyout foreign movies declined by (more than) half. In other words, the buyout market is dying.

 

In the recent few years before 2012, up to 50 buyout movies were allowed every year. (Plus another 20 revenue sharing movies per year). Since 2012 (included), there are no longer quota limitation on the yearly number of buyout movies. (Plus 34 revenue sharing movies per year).

 

The result ? Hence the number of revenue sharing movies increased by 14 in 2012, the number of buyout movies immediately declined by half the year followed. 

 

More space/slots for revenue sharing movies, less space/slots for buyout ones. It would be much more understandable ... if the total number of foreign releases basically stays flat in 2013. It didnt. From 86 to 53, that's some 30 movies missing.

 

It is not all CFC's fault though ... there are some other major reasons: buyout releases can hardly be profitable these days; less and less non-state-backed distributors are able to handle these movies; many potential buyout movies just directly go to VOD on popular Chinese video sites.

 

Where is Escape Plan?