Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. the thriller is act 3 and the rom com is act 2 lol
  2. Bo.com seems to be reporting different figures than The Numbers for Passengers...
  3. So, Passengers might wind up 120M to 140M domestic? That's not great, but not bad.
  4. When can we declare this club dead? Obviously, it might surprise and get a good multiple, but it seems we'll know sooner than its end.
  5. Also, Pratt and J. Law came at a high price. They got 32M, and the movie might not open much higher. If having the two of them boosted tickets by 10M altogether, but they cost 32M, then that's not a great trade-off.
  6. I don't know. It was original material with some controversial storytelling. So, it was not as sure a bet to not flop as The Hunger Games franchise, or Marvel, DC, adaptations, etc. Many actors do work in movies that turn out bad. But, some of them take pay cuts for material that is not a sure thing. It is also worth noting that with stardom, it is a serendipitous thing. A couple of bombs or underperformers, or a number of them and one can ggo from A-list to B-list.
  7. @LonePirate, the DOR movies involved ensembles with several big names, and Joy cost 60M.
  8. The storyline is driving the critical response, but I am totally with the critics. Jim took Aurora's life away from her. Even if he debated and was in a hard place, that's someone agency and their dreams. That choice and the way a movie treats it warrants scrutiny. If the movie conveyed the costs and tragedy that entailed, and did it so in a thoughtful and emotionally resonant way, that would be interesting and potentially powerful. But, "Chris Pratt was in a hard place, debated it, and it is all good fun" glosses over consent and morality.
  9. First, Tele, I think you're right that avoiding gossip and fluff helps avoid the hate. Media coverage and tone factor in. It's fine for her to negotiate a good deal. But, demanding 20M is going to bring scrutiny and doing it on a risky project had the potential for negative blowback.
  10. XMen is also how Jennifer Lawrence lost me too. Yeah, she exploded and didn't need the franchise anymore, but there were fans who loved the series including kids and she could have put forth some effort. I'm a big XMen fan, so that push me negative. J. Law had a big winning streak with THG, the D.O. Russell ensembles, and DOFP was well reviewed and did pretty well in there. I don't actively hate her, and she's clearly a talented actress, and I admired her stands on equal pay and the way she spoke out during her nude photo leak. That was strong and morally right. There have always been people who felt like J. Law was disrespectful. But, early on, her work stood out and it was exciting and new to have a celebrity who was not perfectionist and polished. And J. Law had a down to earth interview persona. The franchise performance cooled down and when J. Law was in other fare, it did not do so well, and the novelty of the real girl wore off and people became more suspicious of it. Some found some things Lawrence did less than endearing, like the Hawaiian rock. And her Hollywood entitlement showed in places. And then, there's the Passengers paycheck. One key thing here, is that Sony tried to give her less, but shee and her reps insisted on 20M and threatened to walk if they did not get it. That's a demand. And Lawrence chose to sign up for Passengers. Picking a role and demanding that kind of money is going to result in scrutiny. And it's looking like that's not going to work out well.
  11. The reviews prompted me to see MATS. I loved it so much, though.
  12. J. Law does have control over the roles she chooses, but Hollywood also offers her a lot of stuff, because they think she'll sell it, like the Addario memoir that would have been great for a 40 year old actress. Sony did not just offer her a 20M paycheck off the bat for Passengers to entice her. She and her reps demanded that paycheck. Jennifer Lawrence did say she was hesitant to sign on because I guess she wanted to bolster her image as a serious actress, but she was drawn to the story. http://www.vogue.com/13368193/jennifer-lawrence-december-2015-cover-hunger-games/ http://ew.com/article/2015/11/23/jennifer-lawrence-chris-pratt-passengers-cotton-candy/ Of course, you can never know and she would not say it was about the money. There was also the Fallon thing. But, she described herself as passionate and excited about the movie.
  13. BO thinks this movie gets 30M opening weekend and 120 dom cume.
  14. I think you can make the case for Damon, Denzel Washington, and sandy bullock in some material, but if I were a Hollywood executive, I would try for a lower upfront payment with a back end deal.
  15. 360 and 165 domestic would be 525 WW