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Funny enough Belloni said the same thing the other day

Best thing about that moment is the blonde gal’s reaction

It looks rubbish but that January date was good for it? Could’ve rode off that NWH/Venom 2 goodwill.

I'll be honest, I'm intrigued by the idea of Batgirl being DCEU's Batman. I figured Keaton long term wasn't practical for obvious reasons. I guess I'm intrigued because with my burnout with the Batman IP, this...is actually something new and interesting. I mean if you don't want/like that, fine you still have regular ole Batman in his own shindig. I know it's beloved now, but I'm old enough to remember Batman Beyond happened and alot of Batman fans online were....not receptive to the idea initially to say the least. The fact that show was basically Batman skin wrapped around the ole Spider-Man formula (teenager struggling to balance social life and superheroics) was another layer. But (1) that new IP approach made that Batman sandbox feel fresh again and (2) fans generally were quickly won over. As for wiping out MOS/BVS/whatever from the timeline, I find that detail weird. Yeah I wasn't a fan of that stuff, but I do respect that stuff does have (very vocal) fans. Why tell people that invested time/emotions in something that "yeah this thing doesn't count/matter anymore." That's a turn off and God knows how an actual fan of that stuff would feel. I'm reminded of when Alan Moore took over Swamp Thing and how he decided to do away with the ole stale Fugitive plot engine that ran that character/book for eons and booked it so "Alec Holland" has always been dead its just his memories had been absorbed in the resulting chemicals/shrubbery that emerged. Thus you open up new stories and things for our green hero to tackle, yet also you don't insult the loyal fans. Hey those old stories still counted! Best of both worlds. Batfleck is done with this stuff and WB/Cavill apparently couldn't come to new terms or get along* so you gotta recast or do something going forward if you want this shared universe to keep going in some form. Those are the facts. But surely there is a better approach to be had? Am I that naive?

Yeah. I think people are giving Iger too much of a pass considering some of Chapek's pre-CEO issues (i.e. the parks) was done under Iger's eye and among other things, but regardless the dude was slick enough to step in during that Perlmutter/King Kevin feud and sideline the former in favor of the latter. One can only hope Chapek doesn't WB up the Disney film divisions, but only time will tell.* *=The way he doesn't seem to care about cutting the legs out from under his own movies (see Encanto) in the name of say D+ streaming early in time for Xmas does make one wonder.

I echo others who are feeling left "eh" but (1) objectively it looks well-framed/shot and (2) it does look like a "Batman Movie" and like a new Fast/Furious or 007 movie having their unique looks/vibes...at this point, the lukewarm vibes one might have could be more about said person than about said movie.

Trash useless person gets free press (and benefits) by being a jerk. Or as I call it, the Trace Dandruff Approach. Can we just ignore him 4ever? Not like we’ll miss anything worth a damn.

Wow, who knew movies based off characters originally created to amuse 8 year olds a half century ago would work up people in this thread? NWH ain’t getting BP nod.* Fair or not, that’s a fact. Let’s instead pool our resources to support say Green Knight or whatever is the current favorite of filmt- err I mean “the online cinephile community.” Thats more productive. *=Isn’t it funny how Emmys don’t have a bug up their butt over what they nominate? Look at some of their major nominees in their last ceremony: Wandavision, Mandalorian, The Bots, etc. #Food4Thought

Well at least this might save me from seeing it in theaters.

Seems likely, but win? Very doubtful. Then again this is just such a weak year for Awards Bait that nothing is impossible at this rate. What’s funny about Dune is if you wanted to run a smear meme against it, very easy just stating the facts: it’s a blockbuster meant to launch a potential multi-film franchise plus a shared media universe what with that TV show on Max in the pipeline. Since cinephiles and self-appointed Film Guardians allegedly are anal about big budget blockbusters/shared universes hijacking theaters/attention away from the “little” movies, I would press that trigger hard. Same way Joker was never going to win. Boil that egg, it’s still a comic book movie.

As you know the Academy has always been…the Academy, but they seem to be increasingly tone deaf even by their standards like that #MeToo themed year when they voted Kobe Bryant an Oscar. People keep bringing up LOTR but tbh I don’t think ROTK would win now in this Academy environment.

I find it fascinating how two recent Hollywood action films that got great write-ups for their choreography in the John Wick series and Shang-Chi, both were made with folks who had worked on the Matrix franchise.

Other than explaining why Batfleck is now Keaton's Batman in the long game, what other changes would FP do for the DCEU in the long game? Supergirl replacing Superman is needless.

Seems tailor made for a car marketing campaign

This is what gets me with people, like some locals around here, who rant about say Marvel movies for not being personalized, interesting, different enough or whatever and yet we get a blockbuster like this which seems to check their boxes and…look what happens when it comes to nut cutting time. I’m a homer for many blockbusters including Marvel and yet I was able to roll with this. I’m surprised some people hate this but then again I felt I was in the minority with Speed Racer so it’s nothing new.

Most tbh? The same folks annoyed by Lena using this movie to vent about how Douchebros and Hollywood interpreted/weaponized her movie are the same that back in the day called those siblings hypocrites for having an anti-corporate screed in a big budget toy movie like Speed Racer for which I was cool with simply because...I found it genuine and hilarious you would get such a thread in such a movie. Whatever one thinks of MR or not, its interesting. How many blockbusters could comps with New Nightmare? I know bloggers are latching onto the anti-blockbuster/legacy sequel meta-text (and gee with a legacy sequel the #1 movie in the world at the moment what a shock) but I found more fascinating the meta-text with Neo's (much younger) crew. The way they revere him, reminds me of how Keanu Reeves the movie star is treated now. I'm old enough to remember in the 90s when Keanu was knocked routinely as the pretty boy airhead who couldn't act, now he's got a multi-generational fanbase and dare I say he's...iconic? Another level is that after ranting about how Hollywood and douchebros interpreted and hijacked her movie and its iconography, I'm sure that crew is meant to represent the sort of folks, many on the fringe (even within nerdom) who probably came up to the Wachowskis over the decades to tell them how that movie blew their minds and inspired them. I mean that one crew member being basically a cosplayer of a Matrix character is WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE about this, but it works. MR really is about an artist's relationship to their art post-release and how its beyond their control. But nothing against the new guys, but...boy, one misses Fishburne and Weaving. Weaving granted turned down a chance to come back, but there's no reason why Fishburne couldn't have done Morpheus. It would've been a fascinating acting challenge to say the least and considering how he's booked here, you're not demanding old man Fishburne to be doing the crazy action he was doing decades ago. I say this is decent, even if the warehouse segment in the 2nd act in retrospect is the movie's biggest weakspot. Personally I was kinda hoping Lena would go George Miller/Fury Road here, pull up her armsleeves and show these dang punks of today *how* you do action scenes. Alas...

Maybe Flash goes back in time and prevents the “Josstice League” from happening?

Thing is, the gimmick for NWH is less the multiverse aspect in itself and more what crossed over with Spider-Man that was a marketing appeal for say nostalgic 2000s kids which brought in folks who aren't necessarily of the MCU faithful. What's been rumored/alleged for DS2 will excite the MCU faithful sure but anybody else outside of it? I mean yeah some bits will intrigue some but not on the level of say NWH and what it offered.

Oh we're already on the way, what with Venom/Morbius/Kraven and whatever else is coming down that Sony Spidey-Verse (or whateer its called) pipeline before we get into (1) live-action Spider-Man shenanigans and (2) obviously the cartoon stuff. Soon folks online will complain about Spidey overexposure like is done about Batman....and they might be right.

Garfield aint coming back to full-time franchise mode when he's doing his little art/awards bait things. He'll treat Spidey like we treat our exes: just because you might hit them up for a booty call once in a while doesn't mean you're back together with them. I mean I know people are being goofy now demanding TASM 3 on Twitter now because where were they just two weeks ago? Holland has been playing him for the last 5 years. He's cemented himself as the live-action Spider-Man of the moment. His last two solo Spidey joints made/will make a billion bucks. NWH (I'll admit) cleverly capped a trilogy (or really a 5 movie long "Act 1") and excitingly set the stage for another potential trilogy of tales without feeling stale. It's like how Thor Ragnarok made people more excited for more Thor stuff, not "OK time to wrap this up." The same reason why Sony won't tell Holland to jump off a cliff is the same reason why Sony and Disney ultimately cut a deal for NWH when back in 2019 they both publicly told the other to eat penile tissue: Costs/Benefits analysis. Why derail the gravy train which might endanger said Sony executives' jobs? Granted I wouldn't be shocked if an actual flesh and blood Miles Morales shows up in this trilogy and set the stage for Holland's own long term RDJ-level exit. If we keep getting MCU Spidey movies (assuming Sony/Disney don't have a $ falling out which is always a legit possibility when these production deals aren't long term) every 2 years has been the case since Homecoming, the last of this new trilogy would come out in 2027 or 11 years after Civil War. Iron Man got cooked like fried chicken in Endgame, which came out...11 years after the first Iron Man movie. Huh. If we want to badger about semantics, OK I might've been flippant in saying Holland will get RDJ-level paychecks of 30-40 whatever millions per movie that dude was making by the end. But it will be at the least a guaranteed big time raise that would be considered A-list money (however that's defined in the 2020s.) To quote Goodfellas, Holland is telling Sony "Fuck you pay me!" His upcoming Uncharted from Sony looks sus. Anyway I'm curious what upcoming Spidey-related projects he'll appear in that isn't produced by King Kevin. Might not be Venom 3 as I thought just a few months ago.

Flash movie is really curious about the answer to this question

He’s got all the leverage in the world ATM and if Sony offers him RDJ money, he’ll do it.

If one looks at the returns for the Sony-operated/mixed received (at best) TASM 2 and the last two Marvel-run Spidey joints (both which got good reviews) you’ll notice two things (1) TASM 2 didn’t make as much as TASM 1 and (2) the jumps those last two movies had compared to TASM 2. Facts are facts. if NWH Is an ice cream made by Marvel, those Sony Spidey legacy characters are the cherry on top. Those characters helped clearly goose numbers for this, but to give Sony full credit for this one is just….it reeks of tryhard.

Lol they just had Venom 2 which to be fair was a complete Sony success story (or outside of spandex, Afterlife did alright too.) hell depending on budget and environment, Morbius might be another hit for them next month. The way people try to spin Sony (you know the PlayStation folks) as like some poor little mom and pop store struggling against Target is just amusingly weird.

a friend compared that ending to TDK and it’s true. Fascinating how Watts and crew took notes from that movie while still delivering tone wise a MCU-y joint