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Or going on with the militarization of Dinosaur setup of the JP 4 (hard to imagine that one being pull off, what a challenge to write that). You could be right, but one issue with this first trailer, is what did they came up with ? Do we have any clue about that movie ? It look almost like pure 30 first minutes footage here (hard to imagine they would play a will the volcano explode or no tension) ? Is it only a survival on that island after the volcano exploded ? Or there is something else going on, must be something else right ?

Ok thanks that was the distinction I didn't got.

Many mentioned local sport media structure involved here, but because of ESPN I thought that Disney would get nothing sport related to not raise anti-trust issue ?

Hum I fell like 24, assasModern Family, How I met your mother, family guy could be higher than some of those. And I feel like Ubisoft own that Assassin Creed franchise, just had a distribution deal with Fox. (could be all wrong), but the production company list give that impression: Production Companies Regency Enterprises (presents) Ubisoft (presents) (as Ubisoft Entertainment) New Regency Pictures (as New Regency) Ubisoft Motion Pictures DMC Film Kennedy/Marshall Company, The RatPac Entertainment (financed in association with) Alpha Pictures (financed in association with) CatchPlay (financed in association with) Monarchy Enterprises S.a.r.l. Latina Pictures The French gamemaker will work closely to develop and co-produce the pic with New Regency, while Fox will distrib the film. Taken is own by Luc Besson I think no ?

I imagine they could rename Hulu and start with this for their platform and not have 2 different one.

Yeah the lower correct amount was just to reinforce your point not diminish it.

And that what make it almost impossible to guess....

4 billion (2 in dollars, 2 in stock dilution), could be around 15 time buying Lucas Art (with Star wars and Indiana Jones franchises coming among the assets) 4 Billion was also how much Disney paid for Marvel Studio. Just that part of the deal: http://www.exchange4media.com/TV/Star-India-targets-$1-billion-revenue-mark-by-2020_59816.html Could be bigger than all owned Fox IPs. The 39% share of SKY could be worth around 7B, etc....

Not sure what does this answer has to do with the message you quoted.

You starting to sound like this was some kind of games, with scoring and looser and winners, etc... No we will obviously not use multiplier has some end of it all without looking at context blindly. I mean look at those multiplier: Dark Knight: 3.33 Wonder Woman: 4 Shrek: 6.32 Passenger : 6.71 Hidden Figures: 7.407 Blind Side: 7.52 Girl with a dragoon tattoo: 8.00 Is some giant multiplier simply due to an extremely small opening weekend due to the Christmas day placement for some of those release ? While some others achieved crazy multiplier because they had A+ type cinemascore reception ? Some smaller than other because of the size of the OW and not because of the word of mouth quality ? Or would you rank them like that, audience reception of those movies goes the worst for Dark Knight to the best for Dragon Tattoo ? We will pick and choose, we will interpret data in the best possible ways, they are not baseball score with us trying to pick a winner. BvS 1.99x was certainly a tell about it's reception (and that showed on is massive OW drop for it's sequel).

If I remember correctly Pixar was 7.4 billion, Marvel and Star wars 4 billion. I would tend to agree that planet of the apes, simpsons, Fan4, X-mens, etc... adaptation rights + libraries are probably not the main factor for that price. A Fox property like Star india has 650! million clients and could be worth 15billion alone, the IP people talk about could be less than 6% of that deal value. They are buying around 75-80% of a company that make around 30b a year in revenues with media assets all over the worlds often with much better margins than movies, a big movie make 500-700m in revenues one time.

Some are and it is a giant mistake to just use multiplier to look at word of mouth. All multiplier come with an *, release date, 3-4 days weekend, size of the opening, genre and so on. Dark Knight only did 3.33, if you remove the OW size, the genre, being a sequel, etc... there is really nothing special here, the Boss Baby had a better multiplier..... One example that make it clear of the mistake at looking at the multiplier alone, is the Hunger Games series: Total OW Legs Ratio The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 $281,723,902.00 $ 102,665,981.00 $179,057,921.00 2.74408 The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 $337,135,885.00 $ 121,897,634.00 $215,238,251.00 2.76573 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire $424,668,047.00 $ 158,074,286.00 $266,593,761.00 2.68651 The Hunger Games $408,010,692.00 $ 152,535,747.00 $255,474,945.00 2.67485 Would you say Part 1 & 2 had the best reception and word of mouth, they have not only the best multiplier but they did so while being farther in the franchise ? Or no, obviously legs of 266m for Catching Fire are clearly the best of the franchise and that was the entry that had the best reception, the bigger multiplier of the MJs are purely due to a smaller opening weekend and less excitement to see it right away at release weekends.

Apple Microsoft Amazon are already content maker no ? https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/16/16155600/apple-original-tv-content-1-billion-investment https://www.recode.net/2017/11/8/16624586/apple-reese-witherspoon-jennifer-aniston-tv-news-brian-stelter If studio start distributing content more and more directly themselve now (and if government let them do it, unlike when they lost the right of owning the movie theater), platform could fear being cut of content and starting to make their own. Also when you buy Apple today you buy way too much cash. Youtube starting production seem inevitable: https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/4/15552204/youtube-original-tv-shows-kevin-hart-ellen-degeneres The fact they started producing content make them potential buyer no ?

Hard to predict but Fox Searchlight is the Fox thing that has the most chance to stay almost intact (maybe their movie distribution will go faster on streaming and more often streaming only in some markets once Disney start it). It is quite different than what Disney do and a nice expertise, library building to be continued with them, no risk of confusion either. For regular Fox, it could become more fuzzy more rapidly and they could just use their library and just continue the Avatar level franchises from it, in a way a bit similar to the Disney model, making it even bigger in IP usable that is doing so well for them, you add the Simpsons, Avatar, How to train your dragon, Planet of the Apes, Kingsman, etc... Not sure if they would ever fully integrate it under the less banner model they started too, the Century Fox fanfar in the beginning is iconic, series like Predator/Apes and so could still be released under that banner (not that it is necessarily important the logo). The biggest unknow is what they do with the 10+ non big franchise a year Fox did (not Searchlight) movie business model, one that is maybe not attractive for Disney right now, I can imagine that stopping.

Arguably Netflix&Amazon that the movie world just gained as producer/distributor of content are getting bigger than Fox is now I guess, so this is certainly true.

A movie would need to do considerably more than 3-3.5 it's budget to break even just in cinemas, depending what you include in the cost column here. If you mean that formula (I would imagine that something like this you have in mind): (World Theater rental - Direct production budget - overhead - theatrical world release cost) >= 0, leaving away participation bonus to make it simpler. If we take a total success movie that made 3.5 time it's budget and best scenario domestic heavy like Pinneaple express on the low budget example and Hancock on the giant movie example that was not domestic heavy. PINEAPPLE EXPRESS Box office: $101m Budget: $28.8m Ratio 3.5 Revenues from theater: DOMESTIC THEATRICAL REVENUE 43,521 INTL THEATRICAL REVENUE 4,238 World release Expense: DTH MARKETING (45,338) DTH PRINTS (COS) (7,236) DTH WPF, DUES, OTHER (COS) (2,581) ITH MARKETING (7,387) ITH PRINTS (COS) (2,864 ITH WPF, FREIGHT, OTHER (COS) (429) Production and overhead: DIRECT PRODUCTION COSTS (28,812) OVERHEAD (2,360) Revenues: 47.759m Expense: 97m (65.835 WW release, more than theatrical rental ) Still 50m in the red, it is rare for a small movie to do more from theater ticket than the cost to play a movie in theater, it is often more of a publicity for the other more lucrative windows, that is a bit of unfair to say because most of the marketing is spent at that moment and goes into that window cost, while that marketing around the release (reviews and all the talk) help all the future windows values also but you get the idea. HANCOCK Box office: $624m Budget: $166m Ratio: 3.75 Revenue from theater: DOMESTIC THEATRICAL REVENUE 125,585 INTL THEATRICAL REVENUE 168,550 World release Expense: DTH MARKETING (61,747) DTH PRINTS (COS) (11,109) DTH WPF, DUES, OTHER (COS) (5,490) ITH MARKETING (63,850) ITH PRINTS (COS) (21,099) ITH WPF, FREIGHT, OTHER (COS) (5,126) Production and overheads: DIRECT PRODUCTION COSTS (166,054) OVERHEAD (14,110) Revenues: $294.135m Expenses: $348.58m (168.421m WW release), Still 50m in the red. Would have needed around 740m to achieve that rare feat And considering Will Smith and co. made a 113! million bonus on that movie, they had first dollar gross deal and the expense were over 400m at that point in reality. It is extremely rare to ever do that and is not really a thing to break even in theater (we do a distinction from box office and other revenues sources pretty much because one has public numbers and not the others), movie like IT do this, but for many it will take 6 to 12 times their budget for small movies, and 4.35 to 5 time for big ones and only when we do not consider the participation bonus that will be often really big in those case and push away that BE point.

It is a bit more complex than that. Studio made a nice 20m profit on a movie like this one (that would have never made 300-350m): http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ferrellwahlberg2010.htm The Other Guys Production Budget: $100 million Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $119,219,978 70.0% + Foreign: $51,212,949 30.0% = Worldwide: $170,432,927 Around 1.7 time it's budget, the all time record I did find for a Sony movie reaching profitability with the lowest ratio was that one: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=gridirongang.htm Production Budget: $30 million Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $38,432,823 92.7% + Foreign: $3,048,028 7.3% = Worldwide: $41,480,851 It's real budget was 33m, made 1.26 time it's budget, Sony made 2.680 (not million, 2 thousand bucks). While they lost money on Men In Black 3 and Angels&Demon. The type of movie, year of release, the size of the budget (a 4 million movie with a 25 million world release will be quite different than a 300m movie with a 185m world release), the actor and investor deal on how they share the revenues, will all impact. Never achieved to find a rules of thumb that was perfect but 2 things seem to be true for all the year's/movies: 1) If you do close or more than your production budget on the domestic market alone (and if your budget is over 15m) you do not loose real money. 2) If the world box office is bigger than 2.0 x (production budget + participation bonus for people that get them before movie profitability) you should break even, at least that was the case between 2006 and 2014, for an example of that formula is the girl with Girl with a dragoon tattoo. The movie lost 8m making 232million on a 111.87m net budget + 7.12m participation bonus, (111.87+7.12) * 2 = 238m, reaching that they would have been almost on the nose to break even. 3 to 3.5 can be required for movies that do their business mostly in theater with 3D ticket, China heavy, first dollar gross participation, the other way around for a big budget comedy a la Kevin Hart/Will Ferrell that will do almost all is business in the USA, and be popular on rental relative to is box office, could go lower than 2.0 time the budget.

Budget are not necessarily based on what the movie is expected to do (you can have to pay people a lot if they expect to be working on a movie that will make a lot and you need them, sequel notably), but how much that story need to cost to make a good movie with a good trailer for that story on screen (and those who cost too much for what they are expected to make are just not made) 50 shades was expected to make a lot more than Deepwater Horizon, they didn't spent less on it because they expected that movie to make less, they spend less on it because you spend as little as you need to and you need more for Deepwater Horizon destruction spectacle out of the sea platform than for 50 Shades. Dp-2 cost a lot more because everyone involved is now paid a fortune. They cannot change budget looking at expecting risk, you cannot make a cheap Jupiter Ascending, Gravity or a Master & Commander movie because they are extremely risky movie, they are not those movie if you cut their budget anymore, you take a bigger risk on them (or you do not make them). They spend a certain amount on Baby Driver because the director asked 55m gross to tell that story not necessarily based on what they expected the movie to do that was their take on it in the leaked email: Does sony have to lose this to mrc if modi outbids tom? Edgar is one of the people we should have in our tent even if this one is scary at 45, it’s still getaway driver action with music and humor and he will be loyal to whomever makes this forever. Even if this one breaks even or is a loss leader he is someone who writes scripts with joe cornish and creates content and has the pop mainstream sensibility we like. Did Tom run numbers, have sales guys read? I don’t want Edgar locked in at mrc over us. https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/33059 That saw that movie like a loss leader and would be happy with it even if it break even or loss money, because it would attract director and more build a relation with a director (and director friends) they love what they do. Not sure who said that we should expect studio to loose money for "art", but we can expect studio to expect to loose money on some movies in their annual slate, because of the inherent risk that movies should be, if we want to have anything that is not a proven formula on screen.

510 of those had a budget of less than 1 million, those we have more than enough, but they are not studio movies. Studio's (MPAA)produced 99 movies in 2016 for future release and released 139 movies in 2016 (97 from studio main branch, 42 from subsidiaries). Not so long ago studio's were releasing 200 movies a year and non member movies were 50/50 above/under 1 million not massively under 1 million like today. We certainly do not lack the very small movies output (at least not in a big city), even arguably we get too many of them from jurisdiction that they are state funded that could probably make less of them, but better one. The studio movie with a budget to tell that story semi-close to what the filmmaker had in is mind, those Gone Girl, 45 to 90m budget movies, those we are certainly not having that many of them. Depend what happen, like I said there is less and less studio movies, last year Fox released 21 movies (15% of the studios output) in 2015, 25. It could be unnoticeable, could be ever better (better distribution, better budgets), they could reduce the main branch output, who knows, but it does not require much to be noticeable in the current strong trend of less and less movies. I doubt that this is the case, would need to define risk, but if you look at a studio planning for movies the expected ROI by movies vary quite a bit (can go low 8%, go high 25%), you can read them doing a movie like Baby Driver expecting to loose a bit of money on it just to buy themselve Edgar Wright loyalty on future more commercial project, there is street creeds involved, there is lust even in some case from what we learned, vengeance, there is being a movie fan with a dream of doing a type of movie, trying to built relation with powerful actor/director/producer agents, a lot is going on for why a movie happen. It was a vastly un-relational and bad business to be in in general, the just for money was vastly overrated concept, but it is going more and more toward that for sure now that the studio are more and more runned by people from a division that had nothing to do with movies and never produced anything in their life. I doubt they had has a goal to make Pacific Rim has risky has Star Wars 8, (if we define risk by chance to not make 7% of more annual return on that investment) for example, that would have been just impossible to do, Star Wars is virtually certain to do it out of an major cataclysm, Pacific Rim need to deliver a trailer to do it and so on, even if it was free to do it would have been more risky to pay for is world distribution trying to make a profit then SW8 or the next MCU entry. That is not the feeling I had from an long form interview with the people that wrote that movie (they even made them wrote a PG-13 version to see), Fox had is top guy on that movie with Simon Kinberg/Donner and 60m with a 100m or so release cost is one of the most risky budget out there, not less risky than giant budget movie, it was just not as risky as an original 60m obviously. If you look at a list of movie with a rumored budget of 55 to 60m on the numbers: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/budgets/all/901 There is 197 of them. 93 achieved to do more than 2.01x their rumored budget at the world box office, around 50% it is not a particular safe budget bracket, not at all, giant movies will have an higher success rate than that, but most budget bracket tend to have the same success rate, budget has very little to do with safe or not (and often little to do with hard to green light or not). Obviously the consequence of failure are different, but the chance to fail tend to go up or stay the same with a lower budget, not down.

Yes, I took has a very arbitrary for r-rated blockuster to be in top 200 of all time (i.e making more than 85m at the domestic box office), because it was easy: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm Excluding both Kill bill of the list I looked for, I would not issue considering them blockbuster, but Kill bill 2 had an rumored budget of 30m and did 150m WW, a bit limit.

Under BV/Disney it could be Enemy of the state in 1998 For Miramax Cold mountain in 2003 ?

It really depend of the line of work, high cuisine, sports, military, construction, police, car sales, there is many field were it will be quite commons including movie industry. In a lot of other it does not exist (never happened in my adult life to have people scream at work for example, I do not think so, superior or not to each others) Cameron brought prop guns in some exec meeting that want to give him notes on a movie and was bit crazy yes.

Really ? The free screener's taking too much space in your garbage is a big issue ? Are you being serious, Hollywood bought the independant movie type (like big Beer maker bought all the small indie Beer maker) because lot of people loved them. Sony classic picture division commercial success rate was about the same as the main division: Searchlight 2017 output 1 165 The Shape of Water FoxS $166,564 2 $166,564 2 12/1/17 2 54 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri FoxS $13,537,057 1,430 $322,168 4 11/10/17 3 134 Goodbye Christopher Robin FoxS $1,707,191 262 $57,917 9 10/13/17 4 59 Battle of the Sexes FoxS $12,610,934 1,822 $518,332 21 9/22/17 5 147 Patti Cake$ FoxS $800,148 303 $67,599 14 8/18/17 6 143 Step (2017) FoxS $1,146,292 306 $146,488 29 8/4/17 7 113 My Cousin Rachel FoxS $2,716,368 531 $969,941 523 6/9/17 8 31 Gifted FoxS $24,801,212 2,215 $446,380 56 4/7/17 9 152 Wilson FoxS $653,951 311 $336,227 310 3/24/17 10 105 Table 19 FoxS $3,614,896 868 $1,597,928 868 3/3/17 11 102 A United Kingdom FoxS $3,902,185 317 $66,510 4 2/10/17 How many of those release fit your description there is actual comedy that people love in there like 3 Biillboards. Gifted was a movie that most people that saw it hated ? You are really going for that ? Shape of Water, 3 billboard look like shit to you ?

Adult Disney fandom is getting a bit weird. what would it remove from you if Disney was making distributing 10 big movie and 25 small versus 10 big movie and nothing else ? Why do you care about people liking those indie movies ? It is not like they are taking away large resource and blockbuster you love are not getting screens close to your house because of them ? Can you name any even the smallest imaginable one downside an small Fox Searchlight movie can have on your life ?

Lower budget less risk is a misconception I think, the safest movie of 2018 (if you define it as the minimum ROI it is certain to do) is probably the Last Jedi and it is one of the most expensive, the top 10 safest movie of 2018 would probably mostly fill of giant budget one. There is a risk of opportunity with SW8 and it is still challenging to maximize is potential, same with Guardian of the Galaxy 2, but the risk of not reaching a 8% ROI on those 2 was almost nill, let alone the risk of loosing money on those. King Arthur was in comparison much riskier so was Downsizing or Suburbicon, Risky tend to mean in people mouth: The smaller the landing script for that movie commercial success, The Last Jedi will be a success in pre-sales even before anyone saw the movie.