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I don't see it having 4-quad appeal (especially with older men) but it will attract a bit more people beyond its target demo thanks to the way it's marketed and currently perceived as a fun guilty pleasure party event that you can ironically enjoy with friends And TikTok will be all over this movie if they aren't already
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JAPAN BOX OFFICE | Demon Slayer breaks all time record for OW
Royce replied to Corpse's topic in International Box Office
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Yeah MCU fans are overhyping Secret Wars like they did with DS2, imagining about cameos that never happened Aren't the MCU X-Men debuting after Secret Wars? And bringing back Tobey and Andrew won't have the same effect as seeing them together for the first time in NWH (for me personally, I still felt the novelty/excitement/nostalgia effect after multiple rewatches but it inevitably wore off like a month ago) Then the Phase 4 momentum killer... yeah So I think fake concern trolling or wishing for A2's underperformance is weird. This probably our last chance to see an exciting all-timer box office run for a very long time. There will be breakouts next year and after that for sure but none are all-timers.
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So many people keep mentioning that this movie (specifically the last act) is way more emotional than the first movie I have really high expectations now because that scene where Neytiri puts on the oxygen mask on Jake's face, saving him and seeing him in his human form for the first time... still one of the most touching scenes I've ever seen in my life. An unconditional and universal love story that transcends space, time and worlds. Cried as hard as I did when Old Rose slept peacefully and went back to a resurrected Titanic and saw all those people and Jack again. The fall of the Home Tree was also very emotional. I don't remember seeing that in Pocahontas! Avatar's story is quite underrated if you ask me lol
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The spoilers I'm most interested in are about Kiri and her powers as teased in the trailer. I saw in a TV spot that she controlled some plant to immobilize a robot (don't know the name or term lol). I know that her character wasn't fully explained or her origins but yeah I wanna know what she can do.
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I'm glad someone else notices this, excellent analysis! As I previously discussed, I think it has to do something with Avatar's general misanthropy and cynical view of the human race. It's a mirror for all our negative qualities as a species and shows our impending doom and the consequences of our ancestors' greedy, selfish and imperialistic actions (still ongoing btw!) and many people just aren't comfortable dealing with that. And then it introduces a new alien race that's supposedly more pure and noble than us evil humans. Hence why most people "forgot" what the first movie was about. It's also interesting that the most vocal haters are the fanboys of the most idealistic franchises (Marvel, Star Wars) that are Avatar's antithesis in a way. The young male (usually white) human saves the day (or the universe) in those stories. In Avatar, the protagonist had to abandon his own humanity to BE the hero. More ramblings:
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JAPAN BOX OFFICE | Demon Slayer breaks all time record for OW
Royce replied to Corpse's topic in International Box Office
Is there any general consensus (from Japanese people or non-Japanese people) on why Frozen 2 had a huge drop from Frozen 1? I know it was still a big hit since it's #21 on the all time list Do the Japanese GA just not like sequels now? Chamber of Secrets wasn't a huge drop from Philosopher's Stone but Azkaban was So my theory is that maybe it's the more "adult", darker and mature tone (which was already evident from the very first teaser) that turned off some of the audience away from Frozen 2 (much like Azkaban did in its time) Frozen 1 had more of a really cute and whimsical tone and tbh it gives me fairytale/magical girl shoujo vibes and combine that with a great Japanese dubbing and the unique "sisterhood" story and of course the mega hit power ballad, it's easy to see why it was such a cultural phenomenon in Japan -
I find it interesting that the actor for Loak hasn't appeared in any interview or public event so far when his character is seemingly the biggest role out of all the new kids. Maybe he has some sort of anxiety for big public gatherings? I kinda want to hear what he has to say about his role and interactions with other actors too, oh well And another thing I want to comment on: The naysayers who are obsessed with "decline this, decline that" should save all these doomsday predictions for Avatar 3 instead, that's a more fitting comparison with Fallen Kingdom, The Last Jedi, Age of Ultron, etc. I don't think JC is introducing a new novelty hook with the other sequels, at least A2 has the impressive underwater world/underwater motion capture and new characters. And A2 DOES have a nostalgia factor. Idc what users with Marvel profile pictures have to say about that, one good look at all the excited YouTube comments under the trailers is enough evidence for me. But I'm also wary of their decision to make each movie a self-contained story. I understand that an episodic format will automatically lower the gross of the follow up but that format also benefits from a "finale factor" with the last movie at least (except for every Star Wars trilogy lol). I'm not aware of other franchises that has the self-contained format and what their box office trajectories are. It's a huge gamble.
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This is possibly the most 4 quadrant appealing film ever? Jake and Neytiri = Wife and husband, mother and father Their son and Kate Winslet's daughter = Teenage romance Sigourney's character = Young Adult/Coming of age Action, Fantasy (dragons, deities, etc.), Sci-Fi, Nature, Technology There is something for everybody 3 hours isn't surprising when they're introducing this many character arcs
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I doubt that will happen If you're talking about Sigourney's character talking about hearing someone's heartbeat, I think she's talking about some form of connection to their deity, Eywa. Which is why she said she probably seems "crazy". She also seems to have some sort of power in one shot of the trailer where she put her hands up in front of her. And the glitter-like design (?) on her skin were glowing. --- Anyway I'm also part of the club that's waiting for the 4k trailer There were blurry parts in this compressed version and it's annoying But even with this quality and in 2D I can already see the appeal of repeat viewings for this movie. There's just so much to take in! I kept pausing the trailer just to revel in the details and beauty of each frame. Imagine what more for general audiences and in a huge 3D screen!
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Perhaps one of the biggest, if not the biggest reason that the first movie was and still is #1 and why the entire franchise will be huge is that you truly cannot "pirate" this film. Endgame and No Way Home were so massive partly because of the experience of sitting next to a huge crowd and hearing the sudden cheers and rapturous applause when the Avengers were brought back to life and when Tobey and Andrew appeared on the screen. Each movie was a once in a lifetime cinematic experience (for superhero fans) for that reason. However, those cheers were captured on camera and there were even YouTube compilations of the cheers from different countries. You could even hear them in the early bootleg recordings. But with Avatar, you just cannot capture the... 3D lol Or at least the groundbreaking visual effects in high quality. There is no point in watching the bootlegged version online because the quality of the visuals will be mediocre at best. You WILL miss out if you don't see this in the biggest screen possible and in 3D, which it was literally designed for.
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So two fantasy movies featuring humans, wizards, magic, elves, etc. and are both based on books are less similar than a comic book movie about human superheroes on Earth and a sci-fi movie about aliens in space? The only similarity is that the Atlanteans are blue and they look like actors with body paint (at first glance), the human Wakandans are still the focus, not the blue people The murky blue-green underwater scenes won't be similar to A2's lush underwater wonderland at all, and they're not supposed to Again, both movies fulfill different purposes and I don't even know why I'm arguing about this pointless comparison Btw, Aquaman 2 and The Little Mermaid come out next year as well, let's see how "similar" those movies will be as well! Won't both movies feature underwater kingdoms? /sarcasm
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Lol BP isn't gonna have an impact on A2's box office, people are gonna watch both films for different reasons. No one is excited to watch BP just for the underwater scenes and the blue Atlanteans. The fact that most people got reminded of Avatar says it all. It'd only be a problem if it was the other way around.
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I think Spider (Jake and Neytiri's adopted human son) will be the breakout character of The Way of Water. I already see interest in him and his potential story from many comments online and he stands out even just in the trailer just for the fact that he's human. He might elevate many people's opinion about Avatar and in my opinion, here's why:
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Yeah the ironic "Avatar is forgotten" meme is so tiresome Titanic - based on a real life iconic event that is commemorated yearly on April 15 Jurassic Park - based on a popular novel, direct sequel released 4 years later, another sequel released 4 years after that Star Wars - direct sequel released 3 years later, another sequel released 3 years after that Marvel movies - based on popular comic books, sequels, spin offs, etc. released every year Avatar - based on nothing, sequel is yet to be released 13 years later It should be compared to other original sci-fi films with no sequels like Inception, Gravity, etc. whose main characters are usually referred to as "Leonardo DiCaprio's character" or "Sandra Bullock's character" by most people. Even the "dream within a dream" meme from Inception is not really mentioned anymore. Yet Inception and Gravity never get called "forgotten" or "no cultural impact".
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MTE I've always liked The Way of Water since the rumored titles came out years ago but I've always disliked the other 3 titles as well I also thought the sequels would be called "Avatars" to sort of differentiate them from the original and make them more standalone but I guess that's too much of a change for the brand haha (for the parks and the video game as well)
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Based on the synopsis, I feel like one of Jake and Neytiri's children will die. ("tragedies they endure") Which is why Zoe Saldana is moved to tears while watching the movie. Maybe that will also bring the tension and drama between Neytiri and Spider (their sort of adopted human kid). Jon Landau already revealed that she sees Spider as "one of the sky people who destroyed her home and killed her father" and so having her actual child die will probably heighten that resentment towards him even though he didn't cause the death of the child. Of course these are just theories.
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From my observation, everyone who is underestimating Avatar 2's potential gross just assumes that the movie itself will just be the same old same old And we who have been following every news article about this movie know that this is not the case The new technology will recreate the "never done before, never seen before" novelty factor that made the first one THE must-see cinematic event of the 2000s Can't wait to see how the characters will interact underwater in an alien planet's ocean with the new technology. Just trying to imagine it is already exciting.
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last day for all of them? so he's gonna die in 3? since 4 and 5 haven't been shot yet also what am i looking at here
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Damn... with James Bond getting pushed back to November and more films likely to get pushed back too because of the virus, suddenly I'm glad this is coming next December instead James Cameron is most definitely psychic I would say
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I think it's interesting how an animated film that is heavily based on Scandinavian folklore and is set in Medieval Europe is resonating so much across different cultures in Nigeria, India, Taiwan, etc. Tbh it just speaks volumes on the timeless and universal appeal of magic I think it will continue to fascinate all of us forever
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I've always thought it was poetic that Infinity War and Endgame struck a chord the most with the most populated countries on the planet
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The concept artworks alone make Avatar 1 look like a small indie film in comparison and we haven't even seen any artworks of the UNDERWATER/OCEAN scenes? Oh my... It's really hard not to overpredict this, $3B in my mind, always has been tbh
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I think it's pretty unfair to compare the ST to Potter and LoTR films which are adapted from BOOKS, the fans and GA know what to expect and everyone knows and agrees on what they want as a collective whole Unlike with the ST this is the THIRD generation of films, released decades later after its initial peak, not based on pre-existing material and there's such a divide between OT loving boomers, prequel defenders/millennials, TLJ loving gen Z, etc. OT is the only comparable trilogy for the FIRST set of films for LoTR and Potter Prequels = Hobbit movies, Fantastic Beasts movies (which aren't doing so hot either) ST = ??? The fact that the THIRD gen of this franchise in its 4th decade has an entry that topped the all time domestic list and $2B WW (the franchise repeaking for the 3rd time) is pretty amazing in itself Will a Cursed Child live action film be able to boast such a feat? Oh wait, even the fans don't like that play that much
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Disney themselves don't consider it to be animated... https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/frozen-2-biggest-animated-movie-ever-disney-box-office-1203456758/ Most publications are now considering F2 to be the highest animated grosser And it deserves that record way more than TLK 2019
