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I mean, to be clear, I would prefer to see a score which included: A)people who watched it in theaters B)people who watched it online and didn’t include C) trolls who haven’t watched it at all. Unfortunately RT’s system, which wasn’t build to handle the existence of group B at all, offers the choice between just A or A+B+C, each with their own flaws. I don’t see too much evidence of a troll campaign for this movie like TLJ or CM, but perhaps I’ve just been lucky enough to avoid those quarters of the Internet.
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But in this case the verified score is exclusively people who paid to see it in a theater in these conditions, which is going to be very skewed (and still relatively low tbh). All of the people legitimately watching this movie in the main mode of release, digitally, will get classified as “unverified.” Very different dynamic than usual, and it will affect all the other hybrid releases — the WB movies, but also Raya and any other movies from other studios that experiment with similar.
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Looks like Xmas comes in strong (relatively) with 100k. Just 13k CGV PS for Sat, gonna aim at 64k. 330k for 5-day still looking good.
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Deja vu. Very curious about how RT aud will go, as well as letterboxd and IMDb when the sample size improves. Starting to feel more and more like @ViewerAnon was not as off as people hoped. But, still hasn’t debuted to public in its most important by far market, so we’ll see what we see when we see it.
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I wish we had enough presales going on for the (useful, largely quantitative) presales discussions to dominate the (largely useless and opinion-based) review discussion. Still mourning Pulse and akvalley. But in like 24 hours it should all get washed away by the “I saw it and here's what I think” stuff and the “wow, Deadline’s (super reliable) midday OD projection would be [great/Terrible].”
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There's something to be said for critiquing films with a bias. Like I said earlier, that’s basically always happened, and is unavoidable since every human’s got their own personal bundle of background and beliefs informing how they look at stuff. Diversity of frameworks is good. But if the bias totally dominates the actual material of the film rather than interacting with it, I don’t really see how that’s valuable to anybody. Like conceivably some blogger could have a bit where their review of every single film was either “passes the Bechdel test, positive.” or “doesn’t pass the Bechdel test, negative.” Maybe they think the Bechdel test is super important, but they wouldn’t really be adding any value because those “reviews.” would be discarding essentially all information about the films in question. Obviously above is a reductio ad absurdum — I haven’t seen anything quite that silly in real life. And this is more of a problem, afaics, from bigots on the right than zealots on the left. But regardless of the direction, I feel like I see more “Bias instead of a review” rather than “bias informing a review.” than I used to, and it’s a bit of a bummer. But also, averages solve a lot. I’m not bemoaning the review industry as hopelessly flawed or anything.
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Like, to be clear, I probably would have approved if they casted a nonwhite actress for Cheetah. I would certainly prefer some kind of queer romantic storyline for Diana than “Steve, who died movingly 70 years ago, but is back now... kinda.” I think these and the larger industry trends they’re apart of are fine things to mention in a review, and critique, and contribute to someone’s evaluation of it. But I think if that specific complaint takes up too large a % of your final score, you’re entering nonsense territory.
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Well, one part of me thinks it’s better to just not respond to this at all. But, I also don’t want to not respond to something I disagree with just because it contained “as a Mod™️,” so I hope we can have some reasonable discussion on this topic without things getter out of hand. I thought the crazy right wing review posted some pages ago which judged the movie on the writer’s preexisting political axes to grind without really treating it as a movie was bad, and I hope it should be pretty uncontroversial that it’s possible to do it the same disservice coming from the other extreme instead. Racial representation is important, sure. So is lgbtqia+ representation. I haven’t seen the movie yet myself, so I can’t comment on how it handled either of those directly. But to base one’s review of a 150 minute experience largely around it not having as many queer or minority woman as you wanted is not an effective way to either advance those causes within the industry or to help educate someone who stumbled across your review when searching for “WW84 reviews” about what they can expect from the movie.
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Mmm, shouldn't have changed to 40 from the 41 I initially wrote. Fri CGV PS are pretty strong at 25k. I forgot Xmas is actually much more relevant in SK than neighboring Japan. Today might go for around 88k but more volatility there than a usual day 3.
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I saw a *negative* review of WW84 on RT because its feminism was too white and not racially representative or lgbtqqipaa+ enough or some nonsense like that. Some people nowadays review films from lenses that I personally find just bizarre and totally removed from quality... but, y’know, that has always been the case. Critics were out here in 1990, and 1960, and 1930, applying their own personal biases and social mores of the time to the perspective through which they experienced film. That’s why using your own opinion is a better way to find out whether a movie works for you than any review aggregator — and still, miraculously, there is a decent correlation between reviews and aggregate audience rating. “Just throw it in the average,” as they say.
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I know it’s not healthy to pay much attention to individual reviews, but we’re so starved for BO content, I appear to be getting sucked down this rabbit hole. These have got to be the two funniest positive reviews: I’m sure you could find similar examples of very unenthusiastic but not quite marked negative reviews for every film, I just think it’s funny. Exposes some of the (well-known) weakness in RT’s binary system.
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I also got the impression from skimming that there were a lot of reviews that sounded... not positive, but the reviewer ended up marking it positive. Oftentimes with pablum about how “it’s message of hope is just what theaters and broader society need at the end of such an awful year.” I suspect that it might be a double digit % lower if it was simply released as normal in June in a non-covid world. But — we will never know. And it doesn’t really matter either. AT&T strangled this thing’s box office potential in the crib, and everyone will be able to make their own judgement about how it lined up with their personal tastes in a day anyway.