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The international reviews being filled with hate towards this movie is the sad and foregone culmination of 4 years of culture wars and online discussions about this project.;I don't think, however, that it is fair to label every criticism of this movie coming from the asian or european public as racism. At least in my country, Italy, Emma Watson was savaged for her take on the Belle's role, with criticism going from her looks to her acting abilities, with the film itself being ripped apart. Trust me, if you understand a bit of italian just google the italian disney forum and you will read some incredibly harsh criticism, and that was coming from the disney fandom. Every actor, no matter the skin color, will get his/hers share of haters. I think that we all should condemn racism and generally be polite and kinder online, but there also should be a fine line where criticizing an actor for their job (which includes also being a right fit for a role) should be allowed and not deemed as some kind of political bias.

I'm sorry but this is cherry picking. Aladdin's opening day was about 100k Euros higher here, and that still ended up with a quite disappointing 15.5 M tally. Besides, having the 5th best opening day of the year is nothing to brag about: Out of the top 5 movies in Italy this year, only one (MARIO) grossed over 10M Euros. Ant-Man rounds up the top 5 and that finished with 5M, which would be a disaster for TLM. Anything under 10M would be a disaster, actually. Anyway, shouldn't this thread be merged with the other one?

I'm quoting myself here just because I love playing the "Cassandra" role. The international datas so far vary from bad (Italy, France, Mexico) to straight up disaster (China, Korea). Domestic is as good as expected (by me, at least) but nothing groundbreaking (unless we assume that Aladdin is the absolute high ceiling for the Disney live actions Dom B.O. prospects, which we all know isn't the case).

Quite a bad opening day for TLM here in Italy. Beauty and the Beast had 1M, The Lion King 3M (a record high) and more favorable release windows. This is opening on the verge of the "death" season for Italian cinemas, with just a few weeks to earn something before everyone rushes to the beaches. Also, there was a lot of anticipation from the disney fandom here, so for the numbers to be this low is really worrisome. It might end up earning less than Dumbo, and maybe even lower than 10M Euros total, which would be a straight-up flop given the strenght of the Disney live actions brand.

Not really. Aladdin had a disastrous opening in France (3 mil. Euros) and with good legs ended up at about 16 mil. Euros, which is quite shockingly low for a Disney live action in France (for reference, BATB had 20 mil+, while TLK had a whopping 75 mil+). Scoring just slightly above that after all this anticipation is a very bad sign and bodes terribly for TLM.

Oh I'm not saying that she isn't beautiful, just that there is exaggeration already on both sides. The Haters/ Average dailymail Brit reader act like she is the ugliest creature, while some people here are commenting on her as if she were the finest woman ever. I Mean, saying that she looks like a supermodel, Tyra Banks (literally where/how, when Tyra is tall, curvy and light-eyed) etc... is a bit hyperbolic imho. According to my personal taste, Naomi Scott (Jasmine in the Aladdin LA) is/was much more beautiful than Halle, if we want to talk about the disney princesses actresses.

This will do well in North America and flop internationally. Both sides will argue over the results and claim success/flop to fit their own agendas. Disney will proclaim the movie as a triumph based on the USA performance and ignore the flop elsewhere. Americans SJW will feel satisfied and fakely act like Halle Bailey is Meryl's streep's and Whitney Houston's love child, while Europeans skeptics will be critical of her and bash the movie. The real effect of this movie controversies will be seen on Snow White's performance which IMHO will flop everywhere, USA included...but that is another story. I mean, we are already seeing crazyness happening here with users praising Halle Bailey as a beauty goddess, while on the extremely trashy british site dailymail everyone is criticizing her appearance (her eyes especially for being set too far off on the side of her face). I can only imagine how divisive this whole thing will be.

Pirates of the carribean - curse of the black pearl finished 16th, Dead man's chest was 6th, At world's end finished 13th.

It was top 15 but some of those who were ahead of it at the time had been re-released already. Counting only the money earned during the first release, it would have been ranked in the top 10, pheraps.

POTC dead man's chest to POTC curse of the black pearl: 423 to 305.

Well, it's actually more of a disappointment/ flop than a complete bomb. At the end of the day it probably made its budget back with home video+ digital sales/tv rights. Babylon has a 110m. budget and will be lucky to get 50/60 m. WW, now that's a real bomb. "Bombs" should be applied to movies that earn less than their nominal production budget, IMHO. Amsterdam, The Northman, Strange World...those are true bombs. Earning more than the production budget but not enough to recoup said budget (aka less than the 2.5x budget multiplier) makes a movie a flop/disappointment.

My bad, I didn't get the sarcasm! To be fair, this is a flop era for every young and new star...even the much beloved Florence Pugh is piling up a long list of flops.

Someone here is delusional! Let's remember the LONG list of Timothee's flops as a leading actor: - Beautiful boy - A rainy day in New York - The King - The French dispatch (he wasn't the main lead there, but arguably the face of the promotional tour). - Bones and all That's worse than Margot Robbie's list.

Actually, Jojo Rabbit (2019) made 90 m. WW on a 14 m. budget, and she was the main draw there, as the most important adult actor (alongside Watiti's Hitler). She is privileged because she became famous at the highest commercial point of movie theatres (the 2002-2005 era) with the whole Woody Allen, Sofia Coppola etc... arthouse movies and many commercial successes; then she was smart enough to build on that popularity with Marvel, aka the biggest franchise ever. Keira Knightley also got a great start with Pirates+Love actually+ Pride and Prejudice, but fell off after Anna Karenina and her pregnancies, and is now a B-lister in terms of star power, but could easily go back to super stardom with the right role in more commercial movies. Jennifer Lawrence also enjoyed a popularity peak (though it was always more domestic fame than international success, unlike Scarlett and Keira), but her star has now faded.

You both should remember Scarlett Johansson, who is the youngest active actress to achieve commercial success in a non-ip non-sequel/remake/reboot role: 2014 LUCY. She can carry a movie on her shoulders, especially internationally where she is a big star. Yes Ghost in the shell was a disappointment, but without her it would have completely bombed. Give her the right action role and she still is a huge draw.

They don't want "bomb" headlines that would further damage the movie's oscar chances. The are hoping for a turnaround on Sunday/Monday so that it might earn something good enough to avoid said"BOMB" label. It's a waste of time and resources, though. The movie will be a bigger bomb than "the last duel" but with a terrible RT final score at around 45/50 %. Yes we're probably in the worst era ever for movies, but giving a best picture nom to a bomb whose critical score is so low would really be a new low.

At 419 reviews Babylon will be rotten and at around 45-50%. Bohemian Rhapsody was also a commercial success and a crowd favorite, Babylon will bomb at the B.O. (it's bombing so hard already that they aren't even revealing its previews numbers) and score low with the GP.

Expected. It might also receive an F cinemascore, and I'm pretty sure the audience score will be in the 30 % or so. If it flops at the b.o. like it's supposed to I seriously doubt it will earn any major nomination at the AA, though we have seen commercial flops+critical flops still receiving some love from the academy (extremely loud etc... comes to mind)

64% is quite bad for a movie that is made for the academy. The numbers will get a lot worse once more reviews come, it will probably end up with a 45-55% score. Not a complete disaster like Amsterdam, but still a critical failure and yet another commercial flop for Margot Robbie; thankfully she has Barbie coming up to save her from being labeled as box office poison.

I liked the movie quite a lot, though the story was very cliché and on par with the marvels in terms of "been there, done that". That being said, I think it will end up at about 1.7B WW, which is great for any movie but quite worrying for this one. I don't see it getting 3 more sequels unless they manage to cut the budget down greatly. I would love to see some form of conclusion for the story, so hopefully they give Cameron the right time to adjust and probably end it with Avatar 3 as a trilogy.

Each time a director makes a bad movie, the next one suffers at the B.O. Tenet was poorly received by many viewers and critics alike, and even some of the die-hard Nolan fans were underwhelmed by it. Thus, I can't see this movie as a massive hit unless the reviews are raves. It also lacks the leading man star power that Inception and Interstellar had, as Cillian Murphy is not on the same league as Leo and McC., especially internationally. Barbie could be a hit or a miss, but I don't think it will take money off Oppenheimer, as the latter main target audience (straight dudebros pretending to be smart and nerdy film twitter snobs) will not show up for a Barbie movie, even if it had the whole world praising the film.

A messy flop through and through. This will fare better than Amsterdam because 1) It's coming on christmas time 2) It has Brad Pitt who is a bigger draw than Bale 3) Chazelle has more of a fanbase (the ever so messy twitter film nerds/ dudebros) than D. O Russell. But just how much better? Anything under 100 M dom and 200 M WW will make this a bomb, given its bloated budget... I can see it somehow grossing anyhting from 40 to 100 OS based on the reviews and word of mouth, but I feel like the ceiling is lower in USA where Brad Pitt is not as strong of a selling point, and also controversial due to the domestic abuse stuff. There is no way it will recoup its budget theatrically, as it is not grossing 300 + M WW,

Well it had to be said since we're costantly pointing out the flops of Margot Robbie, J.Law etc... The "Movie stars" thing died with Scarlett Johansson, who is the youngest active actor who has managed to make a smash hit out of an original- non IP (books, movie, video games) - non franchise movie, Lucy.

The USA box office and the overall state of cinema is tragic. People who think next year will be better are in for a rude awakening. Also, being so confident in the little mermaid is just dumb. It might do well in North America where Bailey's casting will be valued as a great progress in society, but it will flop badly elsewhere where people are 1) tired of the disney's mediocre and lazy live actions, 2) tired of disney's ruthless butchering of european culture, lore and folklore. Pinocchio was literally blasted by the italian critics and deemed as deeply direspectful towards Collodi's work, I'm sure the same will be true for the little mermaid and H.C. Andersen. 3) not really accustomed to movies led by POC (China, eastern Asia). I also don't think straight adult men (even american ones) will go see the movie like they did with Aladdin or The Lion King, which were much more suitable for them as a target audience. And since straight adult men still make the biggest chunk of the moviegoers, I just can't see TLM outgrossing Indiana Jones or Aquaman.

And just like that, the mighty Flopethee Flopamet proves that he isn't the next big superstar who will save hollywood, despite twitter's obession over him. He has a built in fanbase of females aged 15-34, but it's a rather small one that doesn't translate into big box office revenues. This is yet another flop in a long list: - Beautiful boy - A rainy day in New York - The King - The French dispatch (he wasn't the main lead there, but arguably the face of the promotional tour).