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The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread
CJohn replied to Shawn Robbins's topic in Box Office Discussion
The Hunger Games is now rotten so sales should plunge a bit. -
It doesn't work like that. People are not interested right now because The Marvels is the peak of everything that went wrong with the MCU since 2021. Imagine a decently received Captain Marvel 2 (70s on RT) with the hook of Secret Invasion in a timeline where there are no TV shows. It is a completely different world.
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The Marvels entire hook was "come see this team of superheroes!". The entire marketing was this. They had nothing else to sell. And if your entire marketing rests on a team up where people don't care about 2 of the 3 members... (this goes back to the points of TV/too much content/duds/MCU getting too dense I made in the previous page). An ACTUAL Captain Marvel 2 with the storyline of Secret Invasion where you have Brie and SLJ front and center would easily make 750-900M WW. Now that would be a great hook. In this timeline Marvel never branched to TV. Of course, we aren't in this timeline.
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While I do think there is a larger share of men interested in CBMs than woman, it is reductive and non-sensical to point that as a main factor for The Marvels self-destruction. It is non-sensical to even point it as a factor at all. The massive bombage of The Marvels is not related to wokeness or woman front and center at all, even if unfortunately it will lead to thousands online saying "go woke, get broke" or whatever. I could write an essay on why The Marvels (and the MCU) are imploding: - The franchise is 15 years old and it is no longer appealing/accessible to a younger generation (video games adaptations are the present/future), and with the youngs not caring and the older crowd only caring about the older heroes you have an issue at hands; - TV made it like a homework to follow, it caused fatigue and made Marvel not seem like an event anymore; - Too many teases that made it too big to follow and keep track of everything (I watch everything religiously and for the life of me I couldn't remember how Monica got her powers, besides knowing it happened in Wandavision); - Movies and TV shows became too interconnected, making everything important, if nobody watched Ms Marvel, Wandavision and Secret Invasion supposedly you wouldn't get The Marvels; - With the insane increase in amount of stuff to watch, Marvel started to release duds left and right (on both the TV and movies side), the Marvel brand was no longer synonimous with BANGER; - Quantumania was hyped as the start of the Phase 5, the big return to form of Marvel and the Multiverse Saga, and it ended up as the worst Marvel movie for most and really killed the hype for the brand, which was already under problems because of the 2022 lineup (She-Hulk and Moon Knight had mixed receptions, nobody watched Ms Marvel despite good WOM, Multiverse of Madness was hyped as something it was not causing badwill, Love & Thunder another weak sequel that nobody really liked and in the middle of all of this you had Wakanda Forever, which did have a good reception but it was not enough to lift the entire boat) - Theatrical is no longer what it was, people are not going just to pass time, you either CARE or you wait for streaming. I could go on and on about this but honestly I have written way too much and nobody will read all of this text. In the end, I will leave with an idea I have read somewhere else like a year ago that really explains how I think most feel about the MCU nowadays: The MCU after Endgame feels like a game you love where you finished the main story and now you are trying to extend it by doing all the side quests, but it doesn't feel the same anymore.
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Beast was added last week. Only justification for the CW level CGI. It doesn't even look like Kelsey's Beast.
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Renaissance | Beyonce Concert Movie | Releasing December 1st
CJohn replied to SpiderByte's topic in Box Office Discussion
Tickets on sale here in Portugal. Zero sold so far. Even Tay Tay bombed here so no surprise. -
The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread
CJohn replied to Shawn Robbins's topic in Box Office Discussion
If even DHD is this negative... yikes.