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It’s just hope from the MCU die hards that the movie is some under appreciated gem that will find its audience. Maybe it will, but based on what we’ve so far, I wouldn’t bet on it.

Just because the Marvels was expected to flop (once presales started) doesn’t downplay its failure. The MCU is a brand and franchise unto itself. We just saw Guardians 3 make about as much as its predecessor. Clearly audiences had interest in that movie and those characters. With the Marvels, it’s pretty obvious audiences aren’t interested in the character(s). It goes beyond so-called “Marvel fatigue.”

While everyone is focused on critic scores (which appear to be more favorable domestically), what is the audience reception like? I saw some overseas metrics indicating bad/mediocre reception, but do we have an indication on domestic audience reception yet?

So assuming Marvels flops as projected, will that overshadow its fresh rating?

It’s funny how Flash getting a 63 on RT was a loss but Marvels currently sitting at 62 is a win. Looking like similar result at BO, though, and a real loss for Marvels considering the success the first one had.

Worked for Flash, right?

This is the kind of movie that shows just how flawed RT is. If you look at top critics, it’s rotten. Similar picture at Metacritic.

Give it time. The 2024 schedule will start to open up and some release shuffling will occur. Ghostbusters may not move, but it just seems like one that will.

I have to think there’s a good chance Ghostbusters gets delayed.

Yup. A lot of schedule changes coming up in the next few weeks.

I don’t think you can extrapolate out like that.

Looks like it. Whether people like to admit it or not, in this day and age certain critics have agendas. The bloggers are certainly doing their best to give this movie some kind of win.

If Marvels bombs like expected, it won’t be because of the strike. The first movie made over a billion dollars. A sequel shouldn’t need that much promotion to be successful. Plus it’s part of the most recognizable brand in movies right now. No, if it bombs, it’s because people aren’t interested. We can debate why that is, but that’s another matter.

They could have been smart and delayed it like Dune was, but they didn’t. Honestly, give how well the first one did, it shouldn’t have needed a big promotion boost.

If anything, all the negative press will likely lead critics to be kinder in order to pushback against the haters. See, e.g., critical reception of Ghostbusters 2016 and Rings of Power.

What a stupid statement.

I think the strike is gonna last a little bit longer before both sides scramble to a get a deal down a week or so before Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving week will then have a lot of “bad news” day drops on 2024 schedule changes and delays.

I don’t think promotion for Marvels really matters at this point. Might help a little, but not enough to save it.

March is opening up. May well open up more in the coming weeks.

I said the same thing a week or so ago. It still sucks, but pretty good chance March is gonna open up even more and 2024 is gonna be a weak slate in general in terms of Oscar competition (at least for technical awards). Probably will helps its chances with big ticket awards, too.

Tom Cruise Helped Chalamet With His Dune Prep Interesting tidbits coming out of the GQ cover story of Chalamet. Also, while I’m bummed the movie was delayed, it’s looking like a smart decision in hindsight. I imagine the 2024 schedule will open up soon and Part 2 will have better Oscar chances now too.

Just because a show is well reviewed by critics does not mean it is popular. It also had poor ratings because few people were interested.

That Dune Part 2 delay is aging like wine right about now. 2024 schedule is gonna open up and it will have a good shot at better Oscar glory in 2024 than this year.

If Marvels makes 700, it would match BP: WF’s high drop of 38%, and that without its star. So if Marvels drops that much or more, it very much should be viewed as a disappointment. Apart from Ant Man 3, everyone is ignoring that since 2022 (i.e, post pandemic), every other MCU movie has made at least 750 WW (and most of them didn’t get a China release, like Marvels will). IMO, just because Ant Man 3 failed doesn’t meant we should expect the rest of the MCU to struggle. The performance of MCU movies before or after don’t support that.

IMO, 650-700 is not a disaster, but it is a disappointment. The first movie made $1.13 billion WW, which is more than any Thor, Doctor Strange, or Guardians movie ever made. If this movie doesn’t at least come close to Thor 3, it’s a disappointment. Anything less than 650 (maybe more like 600) WW is a disaster.