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Well, he stretched a dinner at Bilbo`s into 45 minutes of nothing and created ZERO interesting characters. So first movie created none. There are 2 more left, the second introducing a bunch of characters including the said boring Bard (he has been given a young son - I don`t find that interesting), Legolas (he`s given daddy issues which means Borelando will be asked to do what he can`t - act!) , his daddy (he has an argument with his son, wow,so freakin intezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz), Tauriel the middle aged Katniss knock-off in a corset with hots for dwarf Kili (this is a bad fanfic, no way around it), beorn (this one is interesting only because he`s played by a convinced junkie) and Smaug (the only character out of new ones that matter). No, I don`t expect PJ to do anything interesting with any of them.

:rofl: Poor Shay. I miss him so much. I knew TH wouldn`t do as well as LOTR critically and otherwise because he was cheering it. Thank you, Shay! Thank you!

It`s still not the story worth telling in 3 movies, none of it. All of them lack the excitement of LOTR and characters save Bilbo and book Thorin are completely uninteresting. Bard must be the most boring hero ever. He shoots the dragon, wants treasure for his people, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. It`s a fine story when read before LOTR but not when it you read/watch it after it.

Ok when you put it that way but what we really need is Shayhiri supporting TH. I know he was a big cheerleader but where is he now?Anywya, I want TH to miss $1 billion. It would be super embarrassing given 3D plus they can`t brag that it`s the second franchise with 2 $1billion movies.

They can`t because that would leave them with an over 5 hour long movie. I hope you`re right. I hope they are #1 and #2 from Xmas Day onwards.

No. It is said that only destroying the ring could assure victory so dragon would cause devastation until ring is destroyed. Also, his killing robbed Pelenor Fileds of even bigger majesty that includes dragon napalm-bombing the Alliance and roasting Eowimp. Fuck you Bilbo! There`s no counterattack by Mirkwood Elves in LOTR and Mirkwood Elves save Legolas play ZERO role in WotR. Also, it`s totally unimportant whether Sauron launches his attacks from Barad Dur or Dol Guldur, his fleeing from Mirkwood is a piss poor excuse for a movie. Who but rabid Tolkienites care where he is? All that matters is whether he`s destroyed or not, not where he builds his mansion. Dwarves save Gimli don`t play any role, Men of Dale don`t play any role, Mirkwood Elves play no role. All those fuckin nations are fuckin USELESS and unmentioned in LOTR so who cares to see their story when there is no payoff in the only one that matters?

Oh really? You who gave up on your club with the Oh-it`s-gonna-hit-$700 mio oh-ti`s-gonna-drop-12%-to$32 mio treachery and deceipt, you can`t forgive me who wasn`t even trying to undermine your club? The nerve! Besides, I`ve made it up to you big time because I`ve been cheering TH droppage despite the risk of raised warning alert. I already have one for PJ bashing so I had to dance on tiptoes a bit and be objective about damn Saturday jumps. But I don`t want this shit to pass BD2 let alone my baby FOTR. Now how are you going to make it up to me?

well count me out. i`m freakin thrilled it isn`t living up to expectations but I want it to do even worse, especially the sequels. No movies that tries to cash in on my girl Katniss deserve to cross $300 mio dom and a billion WW. My girl Katniss deserves to make more because she`s the freakin legend and not some 40s-pushing knock-off in a corset and pointy ears.

$130 mio OW because I was hoping for a gigantic drop due to frontloadedness and no legs! How`s that cheating on your club? My goal was always cutting TH legs short because LOTR had long ones. So 57% drop is a good start but not as good as 73% would have been which I hope hits DoS and TABA may each make less than AUJ!

So Hathaway is really that good?Also, is DDL set to win his third or Jackman can upset? I don`t see who else would be able to pull one. DDL seems dead set to win.

But it isn`t an important prelude to war. Not at all. They may pump the Bot5A and Dol Guldur but plotwise speaking neither is important because neither achieves much.

What is wrong with you? Why are you suddenly pro-Hobbit? I want you to be back to your TH Under ROTK self. I really don`t like this cheering.

How`s the direction since that is getting the most criticism? Someone on ADF says Hooper has the same annoying hand-held camera and copter shots style like PJ. Ouch.

I so hope TH doesn`t make $30 mio. I want competition to hammer it so that studios release real competition next year and freakin destroy Smaug. Les Mis is doing amazing in pre-sales OS, too bad they are waiting for wide release for January 11. That sucks because it would have taken audience from TH and TH now has a 2 weeks after holidays all to itself although I hope it nose-dives regardless.

But why? Isn`t it going to drop big time after holidays? C`mon, man, don`t jump on the bandwaggon now./ Seriously, you were so much more fun when your were rational. This fanboyism is so off-putting.

Gosh, Tuesday can`t come soon enough. i`m desperate to see Les Mis and my man Leo as a bone fide villain.

Oh, they won`t be discouraged but serves them right that it isn`t making the kind of money they projected. It simply isn`t the shit anymore but just one of many very successful franchises that oversaturate the market. It`s a goodf business investment. It just isn`t trumping everything on its path.IMO, Skyfall is a great example of why its fortunes changed this way and why TH is doing a regular blockbuster business but nothing extraordinary. Skyfall grew with the marketplace, and delivered the kind of movie that is "in" now. Instead of being a clone of Brosnan movies that worked over a decade ago. TH is just a LOTR clone, made as if 2012 is 2002. That`s a problem. 2012 isn`t 2002 and tastes and market changed since. You don`t have to radically change the style but you can reinvent yourself and make the old story seem fresh and appealing to modern sensibilities. TH`s just too 10 years ago plus redundancy and less important story.

TH has way too many theaters so it needs to have some empty for Les Mis and/or Django PTA to make up for their release in far fewer theaters.I just want the industry to attack TH`s boxoffice vulnerability next year and in 2014 with a really strong competition. C`mon studios, there`s nothing to be affraid of anymore. This isn`t a critical or a boxoffice juggernaut. C`mon, take it down! Take it down!

You couldn`t have predicted $1.3 billion for Skyfall because that number had nowhere to come from. What was the most a Bond movie made, $700 mio? And it never even broke $200 mio dom let alone had a shot at $300 mio. So Skyfall boxoffice blew past expectations. True, it had an advantage that nobody expected it to crush SH2, TA or even Avatar, but there was no reason to expect numbers like that in no small measure because Skyfall does not have 3D premium.OTOH, even though rational BOFers disagreed, there was tons of TH predictions going ROTK + 3D + inflation = _______(insert a number that claims to blow past another movie from a rival franchise) and predix going "if _______ could make ______ than TH will make so much more." And lets be honest, when the studio agreed with PJ to split the movies there were many who claimed it showed studio`s confidence in the product. So, yes, expectations on both sides (fanboys and PJ/WB) were sky-high and aren`t met.

true that. They call it Flopbit and Floppit bit not a flop. I don`t know why industry sites are so cautious about calling TH`s big drop out but at least Deadline Hollywood seems really quiet in that department. Even Nikki`s readers are going "how come that gigantic drop on froday didn`t get more exposure?"

KK was his Hook. TH still has enough fanboys in denial that TH is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay below LOTR and that critical reception was right on the money. But first phase is always denial and we know how long it took for TPM to be widely regarded as a trainwreck it is. TH, while not a trainwreck, is a completely unnecessary cash grab and people see it for what it really is except some fanboys who`ll come around eventually.

It isn`t a flop but it is a disappointment and not just from fanboy perspective. PJ and studio obviously thought draw was there when they decided to split 2 movies into 3.Well, that`s what happens when you think that TORN ass-kissers represent what GA wants. And while 56% drop is business as usual for some other franchises it`s downright appalling for ME. The most LOTR movie dropped in its second weekend was ROTK`s 30%, the best hold was FOTR`s 18%.

Totally. He can`t find anything else, she can`t find anything else so they were bound to rekindle.

Les Mis is clobbering it in Japan and Korea. They should have released Les Mis wider OS.

I don`t mind ordinary because that`s not what fanboys and arrogant PJ expected. They expected extraordinary which were LOTR drops between 18% (FOTR) and 30% (ROTK). TH is clearly not behaving like that franchise and has more in common with above mentioned movies.