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And a CBM, a genre the Academy loves to snub. All the sticking points for why I’ve argued it doesn’t make sense for AtSV to be the Oscar frontrunner over this. It does have huge DOM box office in its favor, but that’s really it.

Fortunately, an even better stat for Heron at the Oscars is the only sequels to ever win animated feature are named Toy Story.

That is an UGLY list of movies for Heron to join if it doesn’t get the Oscar. Please no

So exciting. It feels like Spiderverse would’ve had more of an edge at the Globes than at the Oscars, but hopefully I don’t jinx it

I haven’t… I was not even aware of it! I still need to see pre-Ghibli Miyazaki among his films as well (Lupin and Conan)

I mean, look at literally every other foreign movie at the DOM box office that has gotten major awards attention in the west… they all had gigantic boosts from it. In some cases, it represented the vast majority of their whole box office after the awards attention. Also no one will convince me there’s any justification for Heron and Spiderverse not both being in a 10 field BP category this year. Literally none. The one and only reason is the western bias against animation as “for kids” (ugh). Japan got over that notion decades ago

Tbf, Crouching Tiger and Life is Beautfiul also got huge awards boosts as well to their box office. Makes the Japan duo’s non-awards impacted runs so far all the more impressive (even if places like BOM won’t count movies with dubs on the foreign grossers)

Animation is the only consistently creative vessel left in mainstream filmmaking for most of this century now. Calling it “for kids” in 2024 is peak cringe btw

No offense but you’re kidding youself to think Herons gross wouldn’t likely be doubled by enjoying the same awards success as Parasite got. Look at what it’s done entirely before awards season? Parasite got a massive boost starting during awards season proper and went from like 25m to 55m (and it wasn’t even totally done before covid hit). There’s no reason to think Heron wouldn’t get a huge boost if it were actually BP frontrunner

In an alternate universe where animation is respected in the west and Heron enjoyed the same awards season status and accolades as Parasite got, it could probably challenge for 100 DOM with a major awards expansion and BP win

Parasite’s run wasn’t that shocking considering Snowpiercer had a big home media following in the west, and most of its money came after it became the awards frontrunner. That was a massive boost for it, it was finishing less than half of that before that awards expansion. Which is still great, but not on the same level of all time foreign DOM runs. Anime aren’t counted on the foreign grossers since they all get dub releases and it can be assumed most of the money comes from those screenings. Hence not a foreign language film.

Yeah, these reports from the cast are inexcusable for a movie that got 100m thrown at it and wasn’t anything spectacle or VFX reliant.

I’m just loving how many people are loving Heron - on this forum and who I know. So satisfying as someone who thinks Miyazaki is the best filmmaker alive to have his most abstract and least accessible work somehow be the one resonating with the GA domestically

Also Godzilla should be set to pass Hero now as the 3rd biggest foreign film domestically, only behind the two everyone has long since associated foreign films with in the U.S. (Crouching Tiger and Life is Beautiful)

Boy and the Heron with that official 3x multi, only second time a wide opening anime has ever gotten there! And Ponyo’s OW wasn’t anywhere near as wide, so not that comparable.

Yeah, after Alice being in the top 5 all time grossers for a minute, Oz’s success was not seen as any kind of big surprise from what I remember. I think there were even more 300 predictions floating than outright flop predictions.

Ironic about this American Fiction convo since I literally just saw a friend post on social today that they have officially gone from hyped for it to pissed they still don’t know when it’s coming to a theater near them

I mean… the original story deals with lots of trauma so idk about “wholesome”, but yes it’s meant to be an inspirational message

I will be seeing it soon, but I would say yes to theaters for a musical. Worth it for the sound element alone

Where has anyone said it’s a hit? It just got saved from disaster status by the release date is all

I high key forgot about the home wrecker drama with the wicked cast #welp

On one hand, yes of course it’s great to have it look like it needs to and not cheap. On the other, it’s one of WBs bigger box office bombs of the year, so again I don’t love the message that could send…

I’m just saying it sends a bad message to the industry about a movie like this not being commercially viable when in reality it had no business with that kind of budget if they wanted a hit. Also, Taraji now speaking up about poor working conditions for the cast, certainly something that shouldn’t be going on with a 100m budget

The Marvels, a sequel to one of the biggest grossers of all time, couldn’t scratch 100 DOM and you think Madame Web has even 1/4 of the interest? I’ll believe it when I see it. Ready to call it at 25 being the ceiling barring the shock of the century and people actually loving the movie. Floor basically doesn’t exist for it

I will say it’s been ages since a disaster movie has… err, hit at the box office, but I don’t think that means it’s time I think it means it’s a fully dead genre. Just even further proof to me Twisters is a ridiculous notion in 2024.