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The first Raimi's Spider-man remains as the 2nd biggest film in admissions of SH genre in Spain (just 20k behind Superman 78). With today average ticket price and current ERs, it adjusts to $39m.

Yes, for the moment (fingers crossed). I hope you are well too

According insidekino: Titanic: 13,708,208 Avatar: 7,517,743

In general, pretty agree

Wide release is on Dec 31st, and it is already at 20m Yuan of presales. Is it just me or that seems big?

If you mean RT percentage, what just means positive or negative acceptance, not to be the best or the worst, we have this: 1. No way home: 97 2. Black panther: 96 3. The dark knight: 94 *. Endgame: 94 *. Iron Man: 94 6. Thor: Ragnarok: 93 *. Wonder Woman: 93 *. Spider-man 2: 93 8. Guardians of the galaxy: 92 *. Homecoming: 92 But I insist that this score means percentage of positive reviews relative to total not the score of each film. A critic can like a film and give it a 6 over 10 or a 10 over 10. Both reviews are added as fresh in RT. The average rating is what makes the difference: 1. The Dark Knight: 8.6 2. Black Panther: 8.3 *. Spider-man 2: 8.3 4. Endgame: 8.2 5. The Avengers: 8.1 6. The Dark Knight Rises: 8.0 7. No way home: 7.9 8. Guardians of the galaxy: 7.8 9. Iron Man: 7.7 *. Wonder Woman: 7.7 *. Homecoming: 7.7 *. Civil War: 7.7 *. Batman Begins: 7.7 Metacritic uses ratings too and we have this: 1. Black Panther: 88 2. The Dark Knight: 84 3. Spider-man 2: 83 4. Iron Man: 79 5. Endgame: 78 *. The Dark Knight Rises: 78 7. Guardians of the Galaxy: 76 *. Wonder Woman: 76 9. Civil War: 75 10. Thor: Ragnarok: 74 ... *. No way home: 72

Then why some here are complaining about a propaganda film being the #1 WW in 2021 precisely when Spidey is not likely to be released in China? If Spidey had already been scheduled in China there would not be any opinion like "I wish NWH beats the shitty Changjin film WW" as I read today here. I am sorry, but if China censors a foreign film for whatever reason, there is a political problem and it obviously affects directly to the box office debate.

That is exactly what I meant: China has always been a dictatorship. The debate today is that some people only seem to worry about it if Marvel (or whatever HLW film) can release or not there: * HLW releases: how much can my film get from China? * HLW does not release: Battle at Lake Changjin is a shitty film which should not even be considered in 2021 WW list. Just money from HLW films are considered. The others, who care... If this is a box office site, all films care, not just our favorites.

First of all, my sincere apologies if I have offended you. I admire many things of China. But from my point of view if you can not choose your government, that means you live in a dictatorship. Or at very least, it is not a democracy. My country suffered a similar situation along 40 years and I do not want it for anyone. I know that economical situation of Chinese people have improved a lot along last 40 years. And box office level is a very good sign, since it is a not essential activity, but a leisure one. But if you, people, can not change the government, I can not completely agree with you.

Of course I read it. It is just I can not accept that people on these forums only care about films business when basic rights are in trouble. It is like saying: "In May 2019, I did not give a shit about what Chinese people suffer because of the dictatorship. If they are giving +$600m to EG WW's gross, who cares... But today we are really angry with censorship because NWH is not going to gross 300-500 million for MCU and we have to see how a propaganda film makes $900m. Poor Chinese people. How can they live with that". Pure hypocrisy.

So money matters when it helps our favorite film business, independently of the conditions of 1.4b people who do not have total freedom. But we reclaim freedom when our favorite film gross is doomed because certain politics from that dictatorship towards that certain film... I am sorry but that sucks

The problem is that people complain about censorship when certain films are not released. China has been a dictatorship since a long time ago, but we remember how bad are Chinese politics just when our favorite film is not released there.

I find a bit absurd to talk about deserving to be bigger or smaller in worldwide lists. China has the 20% of the worldwide population. What happens if a film is only big DOM+Europe, which "only" groups 850m people, 550m less than China? It is already a hit because that means it is big in 30 countries instead in only one when it has really been popular among way less population? Maybe we should start to talk about in how many markets a film is number 1 instead just adding the money grossed in each country. I do not remember anybody complaining, for example, about Endgame's Chinese figure, which helped definitely to beat by a hair Avatar WW or about ratio which meant DOM+China relative to WW figure (over 50% against 33% of Avatar). China is great when it helps our favorite film, but now that they protect for whatever reason its industry, they are demons and the $900m grossed by a local film can be dismised because our favorite film is not being released there. I wish China could be a democracy and you could have a more open market where you can see more films beyond local films or HLW monsters, but I see too much fanboyism here.

I do not know the potential of the releases of the CNY 2022, but if I am not wrong the CNY OW this year was 4.5b combined ($700m). In that case, I do not see how USA+Canada can compete with that.

And Far from home was the movie after Endgame. It could have exploded as IM3 did after TA.

Homecoming was close to SM2 atfer 13 years inflation and FFH beat every Raimi movie (not by much) after 12-17 years. I do not deny that 880m or 1.13b are considerable grosses, but having the support of the biggest brand ever, and with that enormous trailer for the character which was Civil War, I find those numbers disappointing for the most famous Marvel character, even more when MCU has been able to manage 1.1b-1.2b films for way less known characters like Black Panther, Iron Man or Captain Marvel. Relative to MCU standards, Spideys results have been really average for the moment. In terms of saving the franchise, and this is just my opinion, I find more interesting TASM's films than MCU's ones. Sorry for the off-topic. I am conscious this is not the NWH thread.

I see the same figure in several local webs. And those webs mention Sony as the source, so it seems correct.

IMHO, I do not think it will reach it. In December it uses to be many local releases making good numbers, so it should lose many screens. I think it will land about 5.75b-5.76b

5.730b ($899m applying today ER)

I recognize that to say both films suck is just my opinion. It is just I do not care about RTs ratings, if you mean high critic. I think both Spidey's are among the 3 or 4 worst films of the whole MCU. But looking at the numbers, none of them did specially impressive figures. Excluding Chinese grosses to make a fair showdown, Spider-man films have done this: SM1: 820m SM2: 783m SM3: 875m TASM1: 708m TASM2: 615m Homecoming: 764m Far from home: 932m Homecoming is under the whole Raimi trilogy and not too far from the first TASM. FFH had the best result, but taking into account it was the first MCU film after Endgame, I do not find its result specially shocking. In fact, the same year, an unkown character like Captain Marvel grossed the same. And I am not applying inflation. I do not think it is a superb result with the MCU brand supporting it.

That's right. Anyway, I am changing the multiplier for the lower opening to 2.8, so the final range would be 607-699. Basically, million up, million down, the same range.

2.75 multiplier in case of lower opening (217*2.75) 2.70 in case of higher opening (259*2.7)

If NWH opens to $200m I do not see how it can miss $550m, even if the film sucks like the other 2 Spideys MCU's films. Asuming the OW range 217-259 that I read some posts above, I would see it in the 600s final (2.70-2.75 multiplier). These numbers are always asuming the same quality than both predecessors. Of course, if the film is good enough, 700s would be the target and even EG would be in danger. But I do not trust in this hypothesis.

Avatar was an original film, not a n-sequel.

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