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Xftg123 Indie Sensation

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1 hour ago, RJ 95 said:

Tuesday 

Joker - € 630.260 ( +12% over Monday ) , excellent increase same like last week. Hope it have same pattern like last week.

Total € 16.760.977 

 

Gemini Boy - € 88.297

Presale wise, how's Maleficent doing over there?

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Presale?

:rofl:

This is Italy. Unless we have a Star Wars 7 or an Endgame, people just phisically go to the movies. Presales are usually so weak that they're never (never, not even for Endgame) tracked.

 

Anyways, at #2 there's

2 WEATHERING WITH YOU 14/10/2019 JPN NEXO DIGITAL S.P.A. € 149.573 15.876

Up 55% from Monday, when it grossed 96K. A pretty good success for a 3-day event that ends today.

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RJ 95 Sleeper Hit

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Wenesday

Joker € 714.974 (+13% from Tuesday)

Weathering With You € 160.438

Gemini Man € 103.065

 

Excellent increase for Joker, better increase than last week too. 

Current Total for Joker € 17.508.836

Hope it still maintain like last week 20-25% daily drop tomorrow or at worst < 30%.

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Second Thursday drop is always worse than the first. Everything below a 30% drop today is wonderful, -30/35% would be great too. The movie is fine ("fine" in order to get close to 30 millions of course, 'cause it is already moooore than just generally fine) as long as it remains above 450K. A 500K+ Thursday (<=30% drop) would make a 4M 3rd weekend (-33%) more likely than not.

 

Anyways, Maleficent is opening and it's getting more showtimes than Joker. We'll see if it's another Bohemian/Grinch situation (Grinch getting twice as many showtimes as BR on OW, with BR doing almost 3x the gross of the Grinch) or if Maleficent 2 is really going to post big numbers.

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11 minutes ago, Omni said:

Second Thursday drop is always worse than the first. Everything below a 30% drop today is wonderful, -30/35% would be great too. The movie is fine ("fine" in order to get close to 30 millions of course, 'cause it is already moooore than just generally fine) as long as it remains above 450K. A 500K+ Thursday (<=30% drop) would make a 4M 3rd weekend (-33%) more likely than not.

 

Anyways, Maleficent is opening and it's getting more showtimes than Joker. We'll see if it's another Bohemian/Grinch situation (Grinch getting twice as many showtimes as BR on OW, with BR doing almost 3x the gross of the Grinch) or if Maleficent 2 is really going to post big numbers.

Is there any particular website that Italian usually put their review of the movie ? 

Would love to see joker audience score compared to maleficent and other superhero movie.

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8 hours ago, Omni said:

Anyways, Maleficent is opening and it's getting more showtimes than Joker. We'll see if it's another Bohemian/Grinch situation (Grinch getting twice as many showtimes as BR on OW, with BR doing almost 3x the gross of the Grinch) or if Maleficent 2 is really going to post big numbers.

Depending on the movie, sequels usually drop compared to its predecessor. Unless they're Disney/Pixar movies or something else.

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Full Thursday numbers:

 

1 JOKER 03/10/2019 USA WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A. € 468.310 70.120 € 18.018.758 2.600.898
2 MALEFICENT - SIGNORA DEL MALE (MALEFICENT - MISTRESS OF EVIL) 17/10/2019 USA WALT DISNEY S.M.P. ITALIA € 406.786 61.960 € 406.786 61.960
3 GEMINI MAN 10/10/2019 USA 20TH CENTURY FOX ITALIA S.P.A. € 53.312 8.803 € 1.302.228 199.088
4 SE MI VUOI BENE 17/10/2019 ITA MEDUSA FILM S.P.A. € 31.755 5.488 € 31.755 5.488
5 C'ERA UNA VOLTA A...HOLLYWOOD (ONCE UPON A TIME IN...HOLLYWOOD) 18/09/2019 USA WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A. € 19.875 2.947 € 11.425.568 1.642.579
6 MIO FRATELLO RINCORRE I DINOSAURI 05/09/2019 ITA EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A. € 12.942 3.439 € 2.095.028 340.583
7 THE KILL TEAM 17/10/2019 USA EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A. € 12.201 2.033 € 12.201 2.033
8 LE VERITA' (LE VERITE') 10/10/2019 FRA BIM DISTRIB. S.R.L. € 11.953 2.166 € 281.596 47.300
9 THE INFORMER - TRE SECONDI PER SOPRAVVIVERE 17/10/2019 USA ADLER ENTERTAINMENT S.R.L. € 11.911 1.952 € 11.911 1.952
10 PSICOMAGIA - UN'ARTE PER GUARIRE (PSYCHOMAGIE, UN ART POUR GUERIR) 08/10/2019 FRA MESCALITO FILM € 11.772 1.488 € 91.318 11.568

 

The site got an update, and so the chart 2.0 now shows also the current cume of the movie and the relative admissions.

As I said, the most realistic goal was to remain above 450K, and Joker did it. It also managed to keep the top spot against Maleficent, which did more than decently. In fact here's how it compares to some other Disney LA:

 

Cinderella > 345K OD, 5.1M weekend, 15.0M total gross

Dumbo > 371K, 3.3M weekend, 11.2M total gross

The Jungle Book > 427K* OD, 3.0M weekend, 10.4M total gross

Maleficent > 596K OD, 4.3M weekend, 14.1M total gross

* boosted by cheap ticket prices

 

Maleficent 2 opened 1/3 lower than the former, which, though, was released in late May (=higher OD, lower weekend IM). Cinderella doesn't count as it kind of exploded on Saturday and Sunday, but Dumbo certainly looks to be a target. When including the other releases of the year, the Jolie movie needs to beat Far From Home (11.66) to be in the top 10 of the year.

 

I see Joker winning again today, a close race on Saturday with Joker probably still at #1 and Maleficent finally getting on top on Sunday. The weekend is going to be rainy, so Joker needs to go above 4M to keep the 30M dream alive. That requires 700K+ today.

 

 

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Full Thursday numbers:

 

1 JOKER 03/10/2019 USA WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A. € 468.310 70.120 € 18.018.758 2.600.898
2 MALEFICENT - SIGNORA DEL MALE (MALEFICENT - MISTRESS OF EVIL) 17/10/2019 USA WALT DISNEY S.M.P. ITALIA € 406.786 61.960 € 406.786 61.960
3 GEMINI MAN 10/10/2019 USA 20TH CENTURY FOX ITALIA S.P.A. € 53.312 8.803 € 1.302.228 199.088
4 SE MI VUOI BENE 17/10/2019 ITA MEDUSA FILM S.P.A. € 31.755 5.488 € 31.755 5.488
5 C'ERA UNA VOLTA A...HOLLYWOOD (ONCE UPON A TIME IN...HOLLYWOOD) 18/09/2019 USA WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A. € 19.875 2.947 € 11.425.568 1.642.579
6 MIO FRATELLO RINCORRE I DINOSAURI 05/09/2019 ITA EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A. € 12.942 3.439 € 2.095.028 340.583
7 THE KILL TEAM 17/10/2019 USA EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A. € 12.201 2.033 € 12.201 2.033
8 LE VERITA' (LE VERITE') 10/10/2019 FRA BIM DISTRIB. S.R.L. € 11.953 2.166 € 281.596 47.300
9 THE INFORMER - TRE SECONDI PER SOPRAVVIVERE 17/10/2019 USA ADLER ENTERTAINMENT S.R.L. € 11.911 1.952 € 11.911 1.952
10 PSICOMAGIA - UN'ARTE PER GUARIRE (PSYCHOMAGIE, UN ART POUR GUERIR) 08/10/2019 FRA MESCALITO FILM € 11.772 1.488 € 91.318 11.568

 

The site got an update, and so the chart 2.0 now shows also the current cume of the movie and the relative admissions.

As I said, the most realistic goal was to remain above 450K, and Joker did it. It also managed to keep the top spot against Maleficent, which did more than decently. In fact here's how it compares to some other Disney LA:

 

Cinderella > 345K OD, 5.1M weekend, 15.0M total gross

Dumbo > 371K, 3.3M weekend, 11.2M total gross

The Jungle Book > 427K* OD, 3.0M weekend, 10.4M total gross

Maleficent > 596K OD, 4.3M weekend, 14.1M total gross

* boosted by cheap ticket prices

 

Maleficent 2 opened 1/3 lower than the former, which, though, was released in late May (=higher OD, lower weekend IM). Cinderella doesn't count as it kind of exploded on Saturday and Sunday, but Dumbo certainly looks to be a target. When including the other releases of the year, the Jolie movie needs to beat Far From Home (11.66) to be in the top 10 of the year.

 

I see Joker winning again today, a close race on Saturday with Joker probably still at #1 and Maleficent finally getting on top on Sunday. The weekend is going to be rainy, so Joker needs to go above 4M to keep the 30M dream alive. That requires 700K+ today.

 

 

Maleficent opened on Wednesday. 

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Friday

Joker € 653.115 (39% increase from yesterday)

Total : € 18.675.297

Maleficent € 607.420 ( 49% increase from yesterday)

Total € 1.018.496

 

Joker failed to reach 700k but still good enough for #1 but maybe maleficent will pass it tomorrow. With 70-80% increase tomorrow good enough for € 3.2-3.6m weekend.

 

Good increase for Maleficent, will be really good battle for tomorrow.

 

 

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I'm really surprised to see Maleficent getting a better bump on Friday. It needed to be the other way round.

 

If Joker really makes "just" 3.4M or so over the weekend as RJ predicts, it's going to finish at 26/27 millions.

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I'm really surprised to see Maleficent getting a better bump on Friday. It needed to be the other way round.

 

If Joker really makes "just" 3.4M or so over the weekend as RJ predicts, it's going to finish at 26/27 millions.

Ahh, but still 26/27 is a great result.

Even if it doesn't reach 1billion but legs in Europe (particularly in Italy) is astounding that Joker can reach 625-650m without China.

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Saturday

Maleficent €1.438.906

Joker  € 1.299.627

 

Maleficent past Joker today with 136% increase compared with Joker 98% increase over yesterday. Maleficent surely will win the weekend if it can win again tomorrow. Joker currently projecting into 3.6m weekend, drop 40% from last weekend. Current Joker Total € 19.982.252, will past 20m and 21 million today.

 

 

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The story of the weekend is that Maleficent is headed for a a debut in line with the original. It's at 2.46 on Saturday, and it should get a 10/35% jump today, meaning a 1.6/1.9 Sunday for a 4.05/4.40 total. The first debuted with 4.3 millions.

 

Joker will, I think, drop less than 40% over the weekend. Which is very good for Italy but unfortunately worse than Inside Out's -28%.

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The story of the weekend is that Maleficent is headed for a a debut in line with the original. It's at 2.46 on Saturday, and it should get a 10/35% jump today, meaning a 1.6/1.9 Sunday for a 4.05/4.40 total. The first debuted with 4.3 millions.

 

Joker will, I think, drop less than 40% over the weekend. Which is very good for Italy but unfortunately worse than Inside Out's -28%.

D you think Joker can still maintain this 40% drop for few weeks until Frozen came out ? 

 

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Doubtful, as this is not how Italy works. Even Inside Out started to drop hard starting from weekend #4 (though that was initially due to Hotel Transylavia 2 opening) and even an incredibly leggy movie like Bohemian Rhapsody managed to get great holds later in its run only because of Christmas and Golden Globe/Oscars. As long as a movie isn't perceived as the movie to see, it starts to fall hard.

 

That said, it's not impossible for Joker to keep good holds for another month or more. The main remaining options for teens/adults in the next two weeks are Downtown Abbey, Doctor Sleep (which opens earlier here) and Terminator. The first will open below Joker's 4th weekend and will appeal mainly to the ones who like the series and Doctor Sleep shouldn't do much business if Halloween couldn't even get to 3.5M total (approx 70M in NA). The biggest threat may be Terminator, which opens on Joker's 5th weekend and could exceed 5M (Genysis did 2.8, but it was Genysis). That weekend is going to be considerably inflated by Halloween and schools being close on FSS, If it can survive until early November - meaning 40% drop next weekend and <=30% drop on the Halloween one, it will be at 3.7*0.6*0.7=1.55+ with 2 weeks of very weak competition ahead and a PTA that will be enough to keep a good amount of screens until Anna and Elsa come out.

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