cannastop Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Arlborn said: Make a club as soon as a release date is confirmed and we are one year away from it, it should be a very interesting club lol Man, that's 3 and a half years away! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlborn Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Just now, cannastop said: Man, that's 3 and a half years away! Long-term planning is key! And by then you'll have over 60k posts and over 30k likes, how awesome is that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 And over 50% of them will be in this thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandrew Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I enjoyed Zootopia, but man, I was hoping to get a break from the furry avatars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I enjoyed Zootopia, but man, I was hoping to get a break from the furry avatars. Let em be. Judy is pretty adorable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 25 minutes ago, jandrew said: I enjoyed Zootopia, but man, I was hoping to get a break from the furry avatars. Can't be worse than the superhero avatars. BTW, I'm keeping this forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 I read this piece online: Animal Speculation by Joshua Williams Quote But Judy’s and Nick’s is also a gender-inverted noir love story: the gumshoe detective and her streetwise fox fatale. The fact that they never take the romantic plunge, as their relationship subsides into buddy-cop conventionality, is proof enough that what is at stake here is not the undoing of race but an economized fantasy of racial coexistence. At first I thought this was merely silly, as if Nick and Judy had to hook up to truly fulfill the movie's theme. But then I thought: "Wait, Nick didn't have to become a cop! Why does Judy always get what she wants in the end anyways?" Making them mere co-workers and buddies in the sequel would be pretty boring. Now, they might not have had time for them to fall in love in the first movie, but they really need to step up their game for the sequel. Doesn't literally have to have a falling in love moment, but just inserting a new mystery into the world isn't going be exciting, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 7 hours ago, jandrew said: I enjoyed Zootopia, but man, I was hoping to get a break from the furry avatars. Never! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 12 hours ago, cannastop said: I totally think that a Zootopia 2 would beat Finding Dory domestic and Frozen Worldwide. No one can convince me otherwise. I love Zootopia, but that's a little too gutsy for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Zootopia was kind of a phenomenon in its own right and I'm inclined to think it's already at peak audience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Jason said: I love Zootopia, but that's a little too gutsy for me! Not totally unreasonable. Despicable Me: $251,513,985 Despicable Me 2: $368,061,265 Increase of 46.3% Shrek: $267,665,011 Shrek 2: $441,226,247 Increase of 64.8% Zootopia: $341,268,248 Zootopia 2: $500,000,000 Increase of 46.5% No telling what happens in China, but maybe the sequel makes $400m. It's possible in a few years. And if that happens, matching the Overseas-China gross of $445m will add up to $1,345,000,000. That would beat Frozen. A big risk to this is an economic crisis in Europe or China, in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 Now that was a fitting 6000th post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) 38 minutes ago, tribefan695 said: Zootopia was kind of a phenomenon in its own right and I'm inclined to think it's already at peak audience I don't think it's at its peak audience overseas at least. Edited September 2, 2016 by cannastop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 5 hours ago, cannastop said: I read this piece online: Animal Speculation by Joshua Williams Quote But Judy’s and Nick’s is also a gender-inverted noir love story: the gumshoe detective and her streetwise fox fatale. The fact that they never take the romantic plunge, as their relationship subsides into buddy-cop conventionality, is proof enough that what is at stake here is not the undoing of race but an economized fantasy of racial coexistence. At first I thought this was merely silly, as if Nick and Judy had to hook up to truly fulfill the movie's theme. But then I thought: "Wait, Nick didn't have to become a cop! Why does Judy always get what she wants in the end anyways?" Making them mere co-workers and buddies in the sequel would be pretty boring. Now, they might not have had time for them to fall in love in the first movie, but they really need to step up their game for the sequel. Doesn't literally have to have a falling in love moment, but just inserting a new mystery into the world isn't going be exciting, in my opinion. I'm still digesting that essay in general, although suffice it to say that it'd be a thread derailment if I were to actually critique it. But regarding the specific point about their relationship staying platonic meaning that Zootopia doesn't truly fulfill its theme is ridiculous, in my opinion. For one thing, opposition to miscegenation isn't how modern racism manifests itself. For another, the speciesist allegory need not be a perfect allegory for racism to get the general idea across that racial prejudice is wrong. Anyway, it seemed to me that Nick and Judy having an ambiguously platonic relationship was a very fitting ending. (Although it's possible that I'm biased by personal circumstances.) I'm honestly not sure how I feel about whether they should hook up or not on the sequel. I think I could be equally satisfied with either result as long as it's developed well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 5 hours ago, Jason said: I'm still digesting that essay in general, although suffice it to say that it'd be a thread derailment if I were to actually critique it. But regarding the specific point about their relationship staying platonic meaning that Zootopia doesn't truly fulfill its theme is ridiculous, in my opinion. For one thing, opposition to miscegenation isn't how modern racism manifests itself. For another, the speciesist allegory need not be a perfect allegory for racism to get the general idea across that racial prejudice is wrong. Anyway, it seemed to me that Nick and Judy having an ambiguously platonic relationship was a very fitting ending. (Although it's possible that I'm biased by personal circumstances.) I'm honestly not sure how I feel about whether they should hook up or not on the sequel. I think I could be equally satisfied with either result as long as it's developed well. Well don't worry about derailing this thread. This movie doesn't even exist yet. Wanting Judy and Nick to hook up is probably the weakest point in the essay, but I think that actually making Nick a cop runs the risk of getting banal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFanaticGuy34 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 13 hours ago, cannastop said: Not totally unreasonable. Despicable Me: $251,513,985 Despicable Me 2: $368,061,265 Increase of 46.3% Shrek: $267,665,011 Shrek 2: $441,226,247 Increase of 64.8% Zootopia: $341,268,248 Zootopia 2: $500,000,000 Increase of 46.5% No telling what happens in China, but maybe the sequel makes $400m. It's possible in a few years. And if that happens, matching the Overseas-China gross of $445m will add up to $1,345,000,000. That would beat Frozen. A big risk to this is an economic crisis in Europe or China, in my opinion. Oh, i would love to see Zootopia 2 beat Frozen once and for all, if it breaks out bigger than expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, cannastop said: Well don't worry about derailing this thread. This movie doesn't even exist yet. Wanting Judy and Nick to hook up is probably the weakest point in the essay, but I think that actually making Nick a cop runs the risk of getting banal. Well, my biggest issue is not actually the points themselves but the vagueness with which most of them are being expressed. It's been a long time since I've read a political essay outside of those published in the op-ed sections of major newspapers, and likewise I don't generally read art criticism either aside from film reviews published in major newspapers. That being said, I can't recall reading anything with more sentences that could be worthy of mention in a modern rewrite of Orwell's 1946 essay Politics and the English Language. (Which makes the point that political writing is often deliberately vague, so as to appear more agreeable than it really is.) I doubt anyone is interested to hear me elaborate on that, since the essay didn't receive much comment either here or there. If I were to comment on this any further though, I think it would be most appropriate in the Politics sub-forum. Edited September 2, 2016 by Jason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 13 minutes ago, Jason said: Well, my biggest issue is not actually the points themselves but the vagueness with which most of them are being expressed. It's been a long time since I've read a political essay outside of those published in the op-ed sections of major newspapers, and likewise I don't generally read art criticism either aside from film reviews published in major newspapers. That being said, I can't recall reading anything with more sentences that could be worthy of mention in a modern rewrite of Orwell's 1946 essay Politics and the English Language. (Which makes the point that political writing is often deliberately vague, so as to appear more agreeable than it really is.) I doubt anyone is interested to hear me elaborate on that, since the essay didn't receive much comment either here or there. If I were to comment on this any further though, I think it would be most appropriate in the Politics sub-forum. I'm curious about what you have to say. And this thread isn't high-stakes anyways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 @tribefan695 I don't think that Zootopia got to its peak audience in Latin America, for one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlborn Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 hour ago, cannastop said: @tribefan695 I don't think that Zootopia got to its peak audience in Latin America, for one. You're right there, Brazilians prefer sequels usually for some reason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
