94th Academy Awards Discussion Thread | WHAT JUST HAPPENED

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

24 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

honestly i could actually see them doing it that way. like the way the grammys used to have a committee decide some of the top nominations so certain acts can get in. like 7 best picture nominees are voted in by the membership and then there's a committee that picks three big movies to include. i could totally see them resorting to something like that.

It's the only possible way. Grammys admitted it's how Donda was nominated.

 

Every Academy branch votes according to the beat of their own drum. It's why the Directors always nominate an international face. It's how JK Simmons gets in because actors eat up crap like the Sorkin. It's just impossible to relegate Academy voting. Campaigns and publicity go so far, hence Gucci missing BP. A committee with external factors are the last chance for legit populist generic blockbusters

[Barnack]

17 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

if avatar 2 ever got nominated, it is likely due to its environmentalist message like the first.

 

If the people close to the age of the average Oscar voter that saw that in theatre is a good barometer, it was the movie experience, craft and so on.

 

17 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

You can’t expect a straight pop corn fan fare in the best picture line up. They want message and social relevancy

 

You can have to play relevance a lot, but it is not the only way (if you do a rom-com like Silver Lining Playbook you will try to boost that angle a lot to build legitimacy), but some genre have build in appeal:

 

A movie about the movie industry has a chance; Birdman, The Artist, La La Land, Once Upon a time in Hollywood, etc... they do not require a particularly strong message (which is present in half the big pop corn movies these days has well nowadays it seems).

 

Is Inception not pure pop-corn ? Inglorious Bastards (well those 2 were during the 10 movies rules, so maybe not a good example), The Departed, Gladiator, Titanic, American Hustle, Gravity, Grand Budapest Hotel, Fury Road, The Martian, Ford V Ferrari ?

 

If you have scope/epicness with older adult appeal, you can do without having more of it than your average superhero movie, I think. 

 

Another way is being a master delivering, like Phantom Thread, Midnight in Paris, Tree of Life.

 

The next Titanic would get in and Avatar 2 could as well regardless of message I think.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Barnack

[filmlover]

8 hours ago, Eric Poirot said:

I mean...good for them, they're all funny people, but it feels like a weird amalgamation of hosts and none of them will do a thing to boost ratings. Again, it really feels like ABC/AMPAS want to fail here.

 

8 hours ago, grim22 said:

So the Oscars just wrote-off this year then.

The frontrunner is The Power of the Dog. And if last year taught us anything, it's that the producers of the show actually do follow awards season and see who the frontrunners are like the rest of us.

 

The immense backlash and accusations of engaging in the kind of crass publicity/ratings move one would expect from a lame competition show like Dancing with the Stars and not the prestigious Oscars they faced at last year's ceremony no doubt left a scar that ensured they weren't going to try and orchestrate An Unforgettable Moment into existence again anytime soon. Might as well focus on making the most fun show they can and give up on trying to put together the most "everything for everyone" ceremony of all time that will automatically bring them 40 million viewers back again after how unsuccessful that's been, especially if they have no choice but to ride these dated contracts out until they expire.

[titanic2187]

22 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

If the people close to the age of the average Oscar voter that saw that in theatre is a good barometer, it was the movie experience, craft and so on.

 

 

You can have to play relevance a lot, but it is not the only way (if you do a rom-com like Silver Lining Playbook you will try to boost that angle a lot to build legitimacy), but some genre have build in appeal:

 

A movie about the movie industry has a chance; Birdman, The Artist, La La Land, Once Upon a time in Hollywood, etc... they do not require a particularly strong message (which is present in half the big pop corn movies these days has well nowadays it seems).

 

Is Inception not pure pop-corn ? Inglorious Bastards (well those 2 were during the 10 movies rules, so maybe not a good example), The Departed, Gladiator, Titanic, American Hustle, Gravity, Grand Budapest Hotel, Fury Road, The Martian, Ford V Ferrari ?

 

If you have scope/epicness with older adult appeal, you can do without having more of it than your average superhero movie, I think. 

 

Another way is being a master delivering, like Phantom Thread, Midnight in Paris, Tree of Life.

 

The next Titanic would get in and Avatar 2 could as well regardless of message I think.

I was referring typical mainstream blockbusters, those many example you mention are already Oscar bait or drama fare that voters are born to watch and therefore message or not, there is no concern. 
 

For a mainstream movie to be considered, entertainment value or the quality are not really metrics. District 9,  Mad max fury road or black panther certainly telling us just what academy will pay attention to. 
 

The pure flick that I can think of as a message-less best picture nominees in recent year include inception, the Martian and nothing else…. 

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

Power of the Dog has worse audience scores and WOM than any current contender and it’s the frontrunner! Not to mention, a STREAMING film. 60% all audience on Rotten Tomatoes (verified has less than 50 votes), 6.9 IMDB. Nothing they do will change the outcome of ceremony. Having Wanda Sykes host isn’t going to add a dozen million viewers. Having a Twitter poll won’t thread needle since pop culture is consumed differently. Just focus on the musical numbers and have a host that isn’t gimmicky and hope for the best. 

[filmlover]

2 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

Power of the Dog has worse audience scores and WOM than any current contender and it’s the frontrunner! Not to mention, a STREAMING film. 60% all audience on Rotten Tomatoes (verified has less than 50 votes), 6.9 IMDB. Nothing they do will change the outcome of ceremony. Having Wanda Sykes host isn’t going to add a dozen million viewers. Having a Twitter poll won’t thread needle since pop culture is consumed differently. Just focus on the musical numbers and have a host that isn’t gimmicky and hope for the best. 

Aside from the Original Song performances, how about we not lol? They tend to be begging for snarky "is this the Oscars or the Tonys?" commentary more often than not, especially at many recent ceremonies.

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

11 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Aside from the Original Song performances, how about we not lol? They tend to be begging for snarky "is this the Oscars or the Tonys?" commentary more often than not, especially at many recent ceremonies.

With the nominees including Billie, Beyoncé and Encanto (one of the biggest albums of the year), that’s a good crop of popular performers who can kick off the show and provide some awareness and energy similar to Timberlake’s opening in 2017. The Gaga/Cooper performance was the highlight of 2019. And would be better than whatever Eminem was doing in 2020. The show last year really lacked energy since it removed the music. 

[filmlover]

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THR was the first to report last week that there would be three hosts of the telecast, which is being produced by Will Packer and directed by Glenn Weiss. THR can now confirm that each host will anchor a separate hour, with Schumer leading things off.

Oscars 2022 Hosts: Regina Hall, Amy Schumer and Wanda Sykes to Emcee – The Hollywood Reporter

 

Also plenty of reports going around that Jon Hamm was supposed to be a fourth host but he dropped out over the weekend.

[grim22]

9 hours ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

With the nominees including Billie, Beyoncé and Encanto (one of the biggest albums of the year), that’s a good crop of popular performers who can kick off the show and provide some awareness and energy similar to Timberlake’s opening in 2017. The Gaga/Cooper performance was the highlight of 2019. And would be better than whatever Eminem was doing in 2020. The show last year really lacked energy since it removed the music. 

The start of the show is likely the only time viewers allow a song and dance bit. After that, if it isn't a best song nominee, no one wants to see musical numbers during the Oscars - as @filmloversaid - it's not the Tony's.

[Eric S'ennui]

 

[grim22]

 

 

[filmlover]

52 minutes ago, Eric Drake said:

 

Watch the pre-recorded opening skit be her and Icon Cena revisiting Trainwreck by roasting the nominees in a dark movie theater and celebrities/nominees as the annoyed customers surrounding them.

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

4 hours ago, grim22 said:

The start of the show is likely the only time viewers allow a song and dance bit. After that, if it isn't a best song nominee, no one wants to see musical numbers during the Oscars - as @filmloversaid - it's not the Tony's.

Then… do it at the start of the show?

[grim22]

I saw someone suggest this on twitter, and it is a pretty good small-level fix. Start the show at 6:30 eastern like the Superbowl.

 

You get a young audience of kids who can watch the initial few awards as well and get into movies and the awards, the older audience can actually watch the last award before 10pm and discuss it on Twitter and the ratings may stay consistent instead of dying in the last 90 minutes with people going to sleep.

[filmlover]

Oscars to Require COVID-19 Vaccination for Nominees and Guests, but Not Performers and Presenters

Oscars to Require COVID Vaccination for Nominees, but Not Presenters - Variety

 

Miles Teller call your agent!

[Barnack]

On 2/15/2022 at 2:32 PM, grim22 said:

I saw someone suggest this on twitter, and it is a pretty good small-level fix. Start the show at 6:30 eastern like the Superbowl.

 

That would be 3:30 Los Angeles time ?

 

Football has a strong afternoon/watching while eating supper culture and tradition, not so much awards shows.

 

I feel loosing so much of the West Coast (and I imagine make for a lesser show, after party and lesser experience for the paying members) trying to get the young audience (that really do not buy the sponsor's product, same for the 10 pm is too late crowd) would be a though act to balance.

Edited February 18, 2022 by Barnack

[filmlover]

They'll never move the start time of the ceremony up because starting at 5 LA time means that the nominees have the whole morning and most of the afternoon to get ready for the ceremony and the red carpet (which for many is just as much, if not more, of a draw than the awards show itself). You move up the ceremony to 3:30 and that's a red carpet that starts at around...1:30-2:00? That's never going to happen.

[grim22]

Beautiful, just beautiful

 

 

Just how much is the Academy hating their decision right now? Brigading and trolling is ongoing

[Eric S'ennui]

17 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Beautiful, just beautiful

 

 

Just how much is the Academy hating their decision right now? Brigading and trolling is ongoing

Again, this is why we have to support Clifford. Big family fun for all!

 

[grim22]

4 minutes ago, Eric Drake said:

Again, this is why we have to support Clifford. Big family fun for all!

 

Cinderella definitely the best choice to win as it will make literally no one happy and stop this fan favorite experiment within the first year.