Issac Newton Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Austria Wish - €300K (i.p. €464K) Napoleon - €215K / €820K The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds &Snakes - €134K / €1M 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 Germany's Top14 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Wish 206.199 644 320 339.864 3.019.574 - 1 2 Napoleon 144.646 650 223 490.920 5.700.746 -47 2 3 Hunger Games Prequel 137.059 670 205 922.187 10.411.933 -40 3 4 Saw 10 93.560 389 241 116.230 1.222.744 - 1 5 The Marvels 21.148 379 56 417.599 4.602.308 -57 4 6 Godzilla Minus One 17.473 228 77 17.473 187.623 - 1 7 Checker Tobi 2 15.978 580 28 999.806 7.417.939 -52 9 8 Renaissance 15.584 94 166 15.584 297.978 - 1 9 Trolls 3 14.085 501 28 727.216 6.224.861 -57 7 10 Sur les chemins noirs 11.241 129 87 19.251 173.620 - 1 11 Ein ganzes Leben 11.233 299 38 158.860 1.480.374 -51 4 12 Thanksgiving 11.156 315 35 99.567 1.011.289 -61 3 13 Die unlangweiligste Schule der Welt 10.750 436 25 281.250 2.108.964 -49 6 14 Neue Geschichten vom Pumuckl 10.284 407 25 326.366 2.279.891 -64 6 Usually, it's fine weather that has a negative impact on Germany's BO but this time, heavy snowfalls in the south led to a poorer-than-expected weekend. Wish opened softer than expected after the strong previews, but Saw 10 had a good OW and Renaissance also a good PTA. In Austria, similar numbers but everything a bit higher, we had 4 releases in the 5-digit range for the 3-day-WE, plus a domestic dramedy on #5. Next weekend: Wonka will probably be the biggest opener; the book is not that well-known in Germany but the 2005 Burton movie topped >1mil admissions so I'd say it has a decent chance to become #1 over the weekend. Also opening: Domestic dramedy Das Beste kommt noch (remake of a french one) which will probably not make a big splash. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor89 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 20 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said: Germany's Top14 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Wish 206.199 644 320 339.864 3.019.574 - 1 2 Napoleon 144.646 650 223 490.920 5.700.746 -47 2 3 Hunger Games Prequel 137.059 670 205 922.187 10.411.933 -40 3 4 Saw 10 93.560 389 241 116.230 1.222.744 - 1 5 The Marvels 21.148 379 56 417.599 4.602.308 -57 4 6 Godzilla Minus One 17.473 228 77 17.473 187.623 - 1 7 Checker Tobi 2 15.978 580 28 999.806 7.417.939 -52 9 8 Renaissance 15.584 94 166 15.584 297.978 - 1 9 Trolls 3 14.085 501 28 727.216 6.224.861 -57 7 10 Sur les chemins noirs 11.241 129 87 19.251 173.620 - 1 11 Ein ganzes Leben 11.233 299 38 158.860 1.480.374 -51 4 12 Thanksgiving 11.156 315 35 99.567 1.011.289 -61 3 13 Die unlangweiligste Schule der Welt 10.750 436 25 281.250 2.108.964 -49 6 14 Neue Geschichten vom Pumuckl 10.284 407 25 326.366 2.279.891 -64 6 Usually, it's fine weather that has a negative impact on Germany's BO but this time, heavy snowfalls in the south led to a poorer-than-expected weekend. Wish opened softer than expected after the strong previews, but Saw 10 had a good OW and Renaissance also a good PTA. In Austria, similar numbers but everything a bit higher, we had 4 releases in the 5-digit range for the 3-day-WE, plus a domestic dramedy on #5. Next weekend: Wonka will probably be the biggest opener; the book is not that well-known in Germany but the 2005 Burton movie topped >1mil admissions so I'd say it has a decent chance to become #1 over the weekend. Also opening: Domestic dramedy Das Beste kommt noch (remake of a french one) which will probably not make a big splash. Can you pls explain what PTA means? was it limited? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, Taylor89 said: Can you pls explain what PTA means? was it limited? Per Theatre Average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor89 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Issac Newton said: Per Theatre Average. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted December 7, 2023 Author Share Posted December 7, 2023 17 hours ago, Taylor89 said: Can you pls explain what PTA means? was it limited? The PTA number is just the number of admissions divided by the number of theaters it's playing in and as such is a very unspecific number; sadly we don't get per-screen or even per-show numbers. But when you take in the genre / format, it can be interpreted in a sensible way. As an example, last week's Wish had a PTA of 320 - but as a family release it was playing during the day and even a lot of shows in the evening, often on more than one screen. So this PTA is actually pretty poor for an OW (ok, a lot of pressure has been taken out by already wide previews the WE before). Otoh, Renaissance had a PTA of "only" 166 but it was only playing in the evening and mostly on smaller screens; in some theaters only one show / day. So those 166 are a good number, and the per-show-admissions must have been a lot higher than Wish's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor89 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 7 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said: The PTA number is just the number of admissions divided by the number of theaters it's playing in and as such is a very unspecific number; sadly we don't get per-screen or even per-show numbers. But when you take in the genre / format, it can be interpreted in a sensible way. As an example, last week's Wish had a PTA of 320 - but as a family release it was playing during the day and even a lot of shows in the evening, often on more than one screen. So this PTA is actually pretty poor for an OW (ok, a lot of pressure has been taken out by already wide previews the WE before). Otoh, Renaissance had a PTA of "only" 166 but it was only playing in the evening and mostly on smaller screens; in some theaters only one show / day. So those 166 are a good number, and the per-show-admissions must have been a lot higher than Wish's. Thanks.💜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 The quite nice first trend from insidekino.de: #1 Wonka 360k #2 Wish 200k (flat)/592.5k total admissions #3 Hunger Games 125k/1.090 or Napoleon 120k/655k #5 Saw X 80k/220k ... Das Beste kommt noch! 27.5k BlackBerry 17.5k Fast perfekte Weihnachten 5k 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 The second trend from insidekino.de - some decreases: #1 Wonka 360k #2 Wish 200k #3 Hunger Games 112.5k #4 Napoleon 112.5k #5 Saw X 70k ... Das Beste kommt noch! 25k BlackBerry 17.5k Fast perfekte Weihnachten 5k 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 The mostly ugly final trend from insidekino.de: #1 Wonka 325k #2 Wish 210k #3 Napoleon 110k #4 Hunger Games 107.5k #5 Saw X 67.5k ... Das Beste kommt noch! 25k BlackBarry 17.5k Fast perfekte Weihnachten 5k 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainbug Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 2:19 PM, el sid said: The quite nice first trend from insidekino.de: 1 minute ago, el sid said: The mostly ugly final trend from insidekino.de: Not the evolution i wanted to see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngstar Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, el sid said: The mostly ugly final trend from insidekino.de: #1 Wonka 325k #2 Wish 210k #3 Napoleon 110k #4 Hunger Games 107.5k #5 Saw X 67.5k ... Das Beste kommt noch! 25k BlackBarry 17.5k Fast perfekte Weihnachten 5k So Wish is going up from last weekend? That's good at least, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Youngstar said: So Wish is going up from last weekend? That's good at least, right? Yes, that's good :). Mark_G predicted 1.2M final admissions for Wish last week and now it came in a little bit above expectations, so it should maybe get 1.25M (?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, el sid said: Yes, that's good :). Mark_G predicted 1.2M final admissions for Wish last week and now it came in a little bit above expectations, so it should maybe get 1.25M (?). depending on wom, it might play very well through xmas holidays, so there's potential for more. 2mil seem out of reach but 1,5 should be doable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanic2187 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 hours ago, el sid said: The mostly ugly final trend from insidekino.de: #1 Wonka 325k #2 Wish 210k #3 Napoleon 110k #4 Hunger Games 107.5k #5 Saw X 67.5k ... Das Beste kommt noch! 25k BlackBarry 17.5k Fast perfekte Weihnachten 5k Too much drop for wonka. Not sure how can German cinema to cope this year end without a 10m juggernaut like avatar 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, titanic2187 said: Too much drop for wonka. Not sure how can German cinema to cope this year end without a 10m juggernaut like avatar 2. This will be the worst post-2000 year yet (except Covid lockdown years), there's no denying that fact. Even if Dune2 would have opened in its intended slot, that would make little difference in the end ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainbug Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said: This will be the worst post-2000 year yet (except Covid lockdown years), there's no denying that fact. Even if Dune2 would have opened in its intended slot, that would make little difference in the end ... No worrys, looking at 2024's line-up of movies, next year will make this year look solid. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 The Monday update from insidekino.de: #1 Wonka 320k #2 Wish 210k/602.5k total admissions #3 Napoleon 112.5k/647.5k #4 Hunger Games 110k/1.072.5M #5 Saw X 70k/207.5k ... Das Beste kommt noch! 25k BlackBerry 17k Fast perfekte Weihnachten 5k 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 Germany's Top12 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Wonka 292.363 668 438 328.295 3.199.393 - 1 2 Wish 212.096 648 327 602.801 5.284.902 +3 2 3 Napoleon 112.274 694 162 649.391 7.497.216 -22 3 4 Hunger Games Prequel 109.032 578 189 1.075.961 12.072.974 -20 4 5 Saw 10 69.579 409 170 208.473 2.184.167 -26 2 6 Das Beste kommt noch! 21.095 342 62 25.514 249.783 - 1 7 Checker Tobi 2 15.626 495 32 1.017.426 7.542.809 -2 10 8 Morgen, Findus, wird's was geben 15.314 79 194 65.755 254.436 + 837 - Andre Rieu's White Christmas 15.151 283 54 15.151 268.947 - 1 9 Neue Geschichten vom Pumuckl 14.146 331 43 344.374 2.440.426 +37 7 10 Trolls 3 11.953 415 29 741.361 6.337.442 -15 8 11 The Marvels 11.303 238 47 434.144 4.764.646 -47 5 12 Godzilla Minus One 10.724 191 56 32.785 343.031 -39 2 A so-so weekend thanks to the good opening for Wonka; Wish increased from last WE, also a good sign - should play well through the holidays. But only 12 releases >10k admissions, that's awful and indicative of the poor state of Germany's BO. The Marvels will probably drop out of my chart next WE, with a total of >500k - crazy how fast the MCU is fading. In Austria, less awful numbers - a similar chart but everything 15-30% higher, plus last week's domestic opener Wie kommen wir da wieder raus managed an increase - nice! Next weekend: The biggest opener should be Silent Night; also two semi-wide domestic openings, kiddie SciFi Wow! Nachricht aus dem All and comedy 791km. So, no hits - Wonka should stay in front, but depending on WOM the race for #1 might be closer than last weekend. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Wonka (Austria) - €417.542 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...