Official France Box Office Thread

[Parasite]

 

64 923 admissions OD (including 15 000 in previews) for Fabelmans. Much higher than WSS (20k) and similar to The Post (44k). WOM is very positive with a 4.3/5 audience score on Allociné. 

[LPLC]

BOX-OFFICE prévisionnel (du 22 au 28 février 2023)
Rang	Titre	Entrées	Variation hebdo	Cumul (Millions)	Budget	Nbre de salles
1	Alibi.com 2	805 000	- 20 %	2,911	18,4 M€	680
2	Astérix et Obélix : L'empire du milieu	455 000	- 40 %	4,104	64,1 M€	887
3	Ant-man et la guêpe : Quantumania	440 000	- 40 %	1,175	200 M$	625
4	The Fabelmans	330 000	New	0,330	40 M$	502
5	Les choses simples	220 000	New	0,220	5,1 M€	446
6	Sacrées momies	170 000	- 15 %	0,542	- M€	569
7	Un homme heureux	165 000	- 30 %	0,398	10 M€	491
8	Avatar : La voie de l'eau	150 000	- 35 %	13,745	350 M$	648
9	Pattie et la colère de Poséidon	130 000	- 10 %	0,688	8,9 M€	753
10	Titanic	75 000	- 50 %	0,457	200 M$	252

[LPLC]

On 2/21/2023 at 6:22 AM, Shanks said:

 

TITANIC (1st run) - 20,634,793  

TITANIC (3D) - 1,139,388 

Titanic (2020) - 20,878

TITANIC (25th year Anniversary) - 352,776

 

Avatar (1st Run) - 14,677,888 (6.2m in 2009 & 8.4m in 2010)

Avatar (SE) - 98,102

Avatar (2020) - 6,126

Avatar (2022) - 564,979

 

Those 1st run numbers are absolute and have been printed in books, they were in circulation for multiple years, so they can't be wrong. if you search either JP or InsideKino you will get those numbers only. Just check insideKino 4-5 years back~

 

Problem with both those movies is that they are randomly released multiple times in special screenings and what not. Nobody can keep record if they keep doing it every few years. Also, Sometimes, they round off  something like - 20.7 + 1.14 + 0.35~ so total comes out way more than it is.

Sorry to come back with that but in fact I found several reliable sources like Allociné or Ecranlarge which announced in 2008 and on the occasion of the success of welcome to the ch'tis (so before its re-release in 2012) a total of 20,758,841 admissions for its first run.

 

If we add its release in 2012, its small release in 2020 during the covid and its release this year, this gives us a total of : 20,758,841 + 1,139,388 + 20,878 + 388,909 = 22,308,016 admits.

 

Which means that the figure of 20,634,793 admissions was wrong or incomplete. In fact I think that figure is only for the 1998 annual report and that it still had about 124,048 entries during the end of 1998 or the year 1999.

 

 

Sources :

 

https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/news/909606-les-ch-tis-ne-battront-pas-titanic

 

https://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18428786.html

 

https://www.telestar.fr/culture/titanic-quelle-fin-alternative-etait-initialement-prevue-553422

[Shanks]

5 hours ago, LPLC said:

If we add its release in 2012, its small release in 2020 during the covid and its release this year, this gives us a total of : 20,758,841 + 1,139,388 + 20,878 + 388,909 = 22,308,016 admits.

 

Why would you mix together two different Data sets? One Data set is from Authority called Fédération Nationale des Cinémas Français and 2nd Data set -  which you just cited is from Distributors. You can't take highest Data points from different data sets and inflate the Admissions.

Let me give you 3 Data sets by different Authorities and maybe you will understand:

 

CNC Dataset: (Centre national du cinéma et de l'image animée)

1998/1999 : 20,614,443 (95%)
2000-2009 : 4,577
2010-2018 : 1,145,204 (rep. 3D en 2012, Reprise 3D en 2012 : 1,138,207)

TOTAL:   21,798,906

 

2nd Dataset: Used by JP & others

1998-99:  20,634,793 

2012, 3D: 1,139,388 

 

3rd Dataset: Distributor

1st Run - 20,758,841

2012, 3D Run - 1,132,734

2020 - NA

 

Now, Reason I go with 20,634,793 is because that's source -  which is used by you & others to provide data every week for different films. That's also source used by JP & widely accepted by most sites. Oh, You gave me example of ALLOCINE - Checkout Allocines's top 50 movie:

 

 

 

 

To not create discrepancies, we should simply use 2nd one. Because You can't take distributor figure of one film and then compare it to other movies figure which were given by different box-office Authority.

 

Ofcourse, if someday you can get Distributor figure for all the films, then you can use that Titanic number.

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Shanks

[LPLC]

9 hours ago, Shanks said:

 

Why would you mix together two different Data sets? One Data set is from Authority called Fédération Nationale des Cinémas Français and 2nd Data set -  which you just cited is from Distributors. You can't take highest Data points from different data sets and inflate the Admissions.

Let me give you 3 Data sets by different Authorities and maybe you will understand:

 

CNC Dataset: (Centre national du cinéma et de l'image animée)

1998/1999 : 20,614,443 (95%)
2000-2009 : 4,577
2010-2018 : 1,145,204 (rep. 3D en 2012, Reprise 3D en 2012 : 1,138,207)

TOTAL:   21,798,906

 

2nd Dataset: Used by JP & others

1998-99:  20,634,793 

2012, 3D: 1,139,388 

 

3rd Dataset: Distributor

1st Run - 20,758,841

2012, 3D Run - 1,132,734

2020 - NA

 

Now, Reason I go with 20,634,793 is because that's source -  which is used by you & others to provide data every week for different films. That's also source used by JP & widely accepted by most sites. Oh, You gave me example of ALLOCINE - Checkout Allocines's top 50 movie:

 

 

 

 

To not create discrepancies, we should simply use 2nd one. Because You can't take distributor figure of one film and then compare it to other movies figure which were given by different box-office Authority.

 

Ofcourse, if someday you can get Distributor figure for all the films, then you can use that Titanic number.

 

Sorry I just found an interesting source and wanted to share it with you. But suddenly I don't understand where this figure of 20,758,841 comes from ? They made up 124k admits you tell me the real one is 20,634,793. I don't see the point of doing that.

 

In any case, the figures for the release in 2012, 2020 and 2023 are the same on all sites and can be checked easily because it is more recent, so there is no doubt about these figures, useless to speak about that.

 

Now it remains to be seen which between 20.634M and 20.758M is real and I assumed that the higher number is more likely to be true because I don't understand why they would invent a random number like that and also because that the highest figure is surely the most complete.

 

Conclusion : I think as you said we should take the distributor's figure, i.e. the most complete figure for its 1st release, concerning the other releases as I said it is much more recent so it is easy to have a precise follow-up of these figures which is almost similar everywhere. That's why I added 20,758,841 + 1,139,388 + 20,878 + 388,909, which gave me 22,308,062 admits.

 

I will also contact Jp's Box Office so that they update their site with the most recent and complete figure possible for Titanic as Inside Kino and Cine-directors did, look at this :

 

21,898,275 admits for Titanic until 8/18/2019 from inside kino (before its release in 2020 and 2023) : https://www.insidekino.de/BO/Titanic.htm / https://www.insidekino.de/BO/F2020.htm 

 

and 22,251,005 admits until last Sunday : https://www.insidekino.de/BO/F2023.htm

 

22,287M admits until last Wednesday from cine-directors : http://www.cine-directors.net/box38.htm

[Shanks]

InsideKino & JP use CBO-Boxoffice as source, generally. so, Most people have those numbers.

FRANCE top 10~
	CNC	CBO-Box Office
Titanic (1st Run)	20 614 443	20 634 793
Bienvenue chez les Ch'tis	20 444 918	20 413 165
Intouchables	19 509 835	19 385 300
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)	18 353 225	18 319 651
La Grande Vadrouille (1966)	17 330 139	17 273 065
Gone with the Wind (1939)	16 728 081	16 723 795
Avatar	15 423 801	15 329 095
C'era una volta il West	14 891 828	14 873 304
The Jungle Book	14 798 057	14 696 567
101 Dalmatians	14 697 525	14 660 594
Astérix & Obélix - Mission Cléopâtre (2002)	14 408 347	14 314 786

 

1 hour ago, LPLC said:

Now it remains to be seen which between 20.634M and 20.758M is real

 

1 hour ago, LPLC said:

But suddenly I don't understand where this figure of 20,758,841 comes from ? They made up 124k admits

 

20,758,841 was only released by Studio few years down the line when the French local Bienvenue chez les Ch'tis came too close to it's own Admissions. We have no idea how many releases it included. Some say it's 1st run but that's not what PATHE film had said when it released Ch'tis's data of along with figure of titanic.

 

So, Both numbers are real. Anyway, CBO/CNC are close to each other with less than 0.1% error of margin in almost 1000s of movies. 

 

1 hour ago, LPLC said:

Conclusion : I think as you said we should take the distributor's figure, i.e. the most complete figure for its 1st release,

 

1st, Distributor's numbers are very hard to find - we know very few of 'em. Also, Distributor's numbers are tricky, we have no idea which territories they have included. By territories I mean there are almost 20+  Old Colony Islands that sometimes get included in the total of France & sometimes don't.

 

So, Which numbers to take? CBO's or CNCs' because you want numbers to compare to other releases, so you need consistent coverage area. Also, CBO is the one - whose numbers we get every weekend. So, atleast here, CBO's numbers should be taken.

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Shanks

[LPLC]

21 minutes ago, Shanks said:

1st, Distributor's numbers are very hard to find - we know very few of 'em. Also, Distributor's numbers are tricky, we have no idea which territories they have included. By territories I mean there are almost 20+  Old Colony Islands that sometimes get included in the total of France & sometimes don't.

 

So, Which numbers to take? CBO's or CNCs' because you want numbers to compare to other releases, so you need consistent coverage area. Also, CBO is the one - whose numbers we get every weekend. So, atleast here, CBO's numbers should be taken.

 

Yes you are right, for the comparisons, it would seem that it would be more judicious to take the figures of CBO. However, I just wanted the figure closest to reality and the truth for Titanic so even if the figures for the French overseas islands are included, it's good that we have the most complete figure possible.

 

However, it seems to me that Cine-directors has the distributor figures and therefore the most complete figures because in its all-time ranking, there are several films where the total number of admits is higher than that of CBO, in particular those of Titanic, Intouchables or even Avatar and many others if you really look in depth.

[LPLC]

Seems like 5% drop this WE for A2, total after SUN should be 13,75M admits after a weekend around 150k

Edited February 26, 2023 by LPLC

[Sophia Jane]

will Avatar have chance enter top10 all time admits?

[LPLC]

4 hours ago, Sophia Jane said:

will Avatar have chance enter top10 all time admits?

No impossible, at best 12th place because holidays end next week

[Issac Newton]

13.741.981 | Avatar 

[LPLC]

27 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:

13.741.981 | Avatar 

146k WE - 16% drop

[LPLC]

BOX-OFFICE France (du 22 au 28 février 2023) (Prévisions)
Rang	TITRE	Entrées	Variation hebdo	Cumul (Millions)	Budget	Nbre de copies	Moy / Copie
1	Alibi.com 2	825 000	- 18 %	2,931	18,4 M€	680	1 213
2	Astérix et Obélix : L'empire du milieu	525 000	- 31 %	4,174	64,1 M€	932	563
3	Ant-man et la guêpe : Quantumania	440 000	- 40 %	1,175	200 M$	625	704
4	The Fabelmans	370 000	New	0,370	40 M$	502	737
5	Sacrées momies	225 000	+ 11 %	0,597	11 M€	743	303
6	Les choses simples	220 000	New	0,220	5,1 M€	446	493
7	Avatar : La voie de l'eau	180 000	- 21 %	13,775	350 M$	434	415
8	Pattie et la colère de Poséidon	140 000	- 2 %	0,698	8,9 M€	843	166
9	Un homme heureux	135 000	- 30 %	0,368	10 M€	495	273
10	Titanic	95 000	- 35 %	0,477	200 M$	385	247

 

Nice hold for Alibi.com 2 and Avatar 2. Ok drop for Asterix, AM3 and Titanic. Great opening for The Fabelmans.

 

- Alibi.com 2 should finish its run around 4M-4,5M admits, great result.

- Asterix should finish its run around 5M admits, not bad after all.

- AM3 should finish its run around 2M admits, a bit above AM1 and AM2

- The Fabelmans could surpass 1M by the end of its run, great success for Spielberg in France.

- A2 will finish its run above 14M admits, maybe 14,1M final run here

- Titanic could finally finish its re-release above avatar's re-release of last year, maybe 600k full run.

[Issac Newton]

Anyone present? :))

 

 

[Parasite]

3 hours ago, Issac Newton said:

Anyone present? :))

 

 

 

 

I managed to get tickets to the other showing. Not a fan of the film though. 

[Issac Newton]

13.780.948 | Avatar ~29K Weekdays 

[LPLC]

2 hours ago, Issac Newton said:

13.780.948 | Avatar ~29K Weekdays 

39*

[Issac Newton]

R	Film	Distributeur	Entrées	Séances	Moy	Cumul	S
1	ALIBI.COM 2	STUDIOCANAL	798 133	16 373	49	2 904 437	3
2	ASTÉRIX ET OBÉLIX : L’EMPIRE DU MILIEU	PATHÉ	514 149	15 346	34	4 163 010	4
3	ANT-MAN ET LA GUÊPE : QUANTUMANIA	DISNEY	437 550	18 897	23	1 184 539	2
4	THE FABELMANS	UNIVERSAL	343 289	10 639	32	367 332	1
5	SACRÉES MOMIES	WARNER	216 969	6 995	31	589 056	3
6	LES CHOSES SIMPLES	SND	212 288	10 314	21	222 130	1
7	AVATAR : LA VOIE DE L’EAU	DISNEY	185 742	4 435	42	13 780 948	11
8	PATTIE ET LA COLÈRE DE POSÉIDON	APOLLO	137 722	4 766	29	695 933	5
9	UN HOMME HEUREUX	GAUMONT	135 617	9 304	15	368 625	2
10	TITANIC (RESSORTIE 2023)	DISNEY	88 834	2 771	32	477 743	3
11	LE CHAT POTTÉ 2 : LA DERNIÈRE QUÊTE	UNIVERSAL	76 309	2 657	29	2 916 246	12
12	BABYLON	PARAMOUNT	67 768	2 313	29	1 438 576	6
13	À LA BELLE ÉTOILE	BAC	62 634	5 471	11	67 974	1
14	MAURICE LE CHAT FABULEUX	KMBO	54 103	2 163	25	258 418	4
15	MISSING	SONY	52 975	4 075	13	53 919	1
16	LA FEMME DE TCHAÏKOVSKI	BAC	42 143	2 065	20	121 606	2
17	ARRÊTE AVEC TES MENSONGES	KMBO	41 965	2 750	15	48 547	1
18	ZODI ET TÉHU, FRÈRES DU DÉSERT	SND	36 982	2 475	15	183 700	3
19	JUSTE CIEL !	LE PACTE	35 868	2 953	12	97 325	2
20	LES GARDIENNES DE LA PLANÈTE	PAN	30 506	2 479	12	32 892	1

[Issac Newton]

2.122 | 19 sites | Creed III | Paris 14 h

[simoimo19]

2 hours ago, Issac Newton said:

2.122 | 19 sites | Creed III | Paris 14 h

Better than Ant-Man two weeks ago and was also first yesterday with previews only

 

Set for a great opening WE