Weekend Estimates pg 14: EX2: 13.5(-52.5%) Bourne 9.5 (.44%), no opener in top 5

[baumer]

Wow. That's pretty harsh, isn't it? :mellow:Despite the failings in Whitney's personal life, the woman was an incredibly gifted singer with a true voice. None of us know what demons Whitney (or Heath Ledger, Amy Winehouse etc.) had in her life that paved the way to her addiction. Should her talent and appeal to millions of people around the world (which is an undeniable fact) be discounted because she chose that path?

Yes. Why should I care or shed a tear for someone who consciously destroyed herself? This has been going on for 15 years or so and now because she has a film out I'm supposed to care about her? Nope. Fuck her. If she wanted to piss her life away by snorting and shooting up, no problem. That's her choice. Just don't ask me to give a shit when she inevitably dies at a young age. Edited August 26, 2012 by Expendable baumer

[baumer]

I'd rather they be conservative with their estimates.

But where are these estimates coming from? Based on what historical data?

[baumer]

This is last year's Sunday drops on the same weekend. They don't match up to this weekends estimated harsh drops.http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2011-08-28&track=harrypotter72.htm

[Tower]

This is last year's Sunday drops on the same weekend. They don't match up to this weekends estimated harsh drops.http://boxofficemojo...rrypotter72.htm

So we should be getting some upward revisions tomorrow.

[wboxoffice]

Wow. That's pretty harsh, isn't it? :mellow:Despite the failings in Whitney's personal life, the woman was an incredibly gifted singer with a true voice. None of us know what demons Whitney (or Heath Ledger, Amy Winehouse etc.) had in her life that paved the way to her addiction. Should her talent and appeal to millions of people around the world (which is an undeniable fact) be discounted because she chose that path?

Everyone has their problems or addictions, it could be cigarettes, alcohol, food addiction, porn, shopping, gambling, or even being a troll/hater on internet, huh cochofles? Nobody is perfect. For some reason in Hollywood and the Music Industry, one of the major problems is drugs, and sometime falling in love with the wrong man is what could lead to it. Yes it's her choice, but like I said we all have our weaknesses and flaws. But everyone around Whitney praises her and how nice and funny she was, not to mention her huge talent and accomplishements, but yeah she's not perfect either. It's not as if she's a murderer. In Sparkle everyone said how professional, beautiful and loving she was, and the last time I checked she didn't die of an overdose. She was a user, but I think it's more of a long term toll that didn't help her, kind of like if you smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol for years, it will catch up with you. But she was not a junkie, look at Sparkle she looks amazing and all the cast, producers and crew fell in love with her. But cochofles is perfect, so let's not waste our time, he's above humanity he could never understand us. But anyways I'm tired of people not moving along from discussion, like I said she lived a full life and said that she has no rergrets, she did it all. Sparkle will end up being her least successful movie, but probably every actor out there has had several movies that grossed less than Sparkle, so again even her low numbers are pretty good. But I guess haters will try to put her down everytime they can, but guess what, just like many legends who have had drug problems, she will remain a legend wether you like it or not.

[baumer]

I like Whitney's music. I just don't care that she died of a drug overdose.

[baumer]

So we should be getting some upward revisions tomorrow.

It's certainly possible. But do the studios know something we don't? Is there some big TV event tonight?

[wboxoffice]

I like Whitney's music. I just don't care that she died of a drug overdose.

baumer, she didn't die of an overdose, but rather of a heart disease with a little drugs found in her system, not an overdose. It just shows that she was never able to fully beat her drug issues, but she didn't die of an overdose but rather health problems. But it's okay for someone to not care for her like you do, but to go out of their way to insult her like coholes does is unnecessary, and as long as there are haters like him, I will keep defending her. Nobody is perfect and we all have our flaws. I just don't think it's a coincidence that tons of major stars die because of drugs, it's a plague in the entertainment industry. I don't understand why my dad smokes cigarettes, but I can assure he's the best father I could ever ask for. And I'm sure neither you or people around you are perfect, despite being great people. So like I said, nobody should judge. I can assure you that having followed her life, she TRIED, but drugs is a disease and some people have addictive natures, it's not a laughing matter. If more people tried to help her and support her instead of making crack jokes, maybe she would still be alive. But stars make tons of money for everyone around them, so it's a very complicated issue and not everyone cares for you as a person. Edited August 26, 2012 by wboxoffice

[baumer]

baumer, she didn't die of an overdose, but rather of a heart disease with a little drugs found in her system, not an overdose. It just shows that she was never able to fully beat her drug issues, but she didn't die of an overdose but rather health problems. But it's okay for someone to not care for her like you do, but to go out of their way to insult her like coholes does is unnecessary, and as long as there are haters like him, I will keep defending her. Nobody is perfect and we all have our flaws. I just don't think it's a coincidence that tons of major stars die because of drugs, it's a plague in the entertainment industry. I don't understand why my dad smokes cigarettes, but I can assure he's the best father I could ever ask for. And I'm sure neither you or people around you are perfect, despite being great people. So like I said, nobody should judge.

There are a lot of stars that die of an overdose and there are a lot that never do. Like I said, if that is the life she chose for herself, I have no issues with it. But she didn't die of cancer or Alzheimers, she died of a drug related scenario. And that I just can't care about.

[Moviedweeb]

Hopefully EX2 hits $80m domestic and passes the first film worldwide. That would be more than respectable.

[baumer]

Hopefully EX2 hits $80m domestic and passes the first film worldwide. That would be more than respectable.

I don't see how it misses the WW total. It's doing better in most international markets so far and the one where it's not, the UK, never really embraced the first one anyway.

[redfirebird2008]

baumer, she didn't die of an overdose, but rather of a heart disease with a little drugs found in her system, not an overdose. It just shows that she was never able to fully beat her drug issues, but she didn't die of an overdose but rather health problems. But it's okay for someone to not care for her like you do, but to go out of their way to insult her like coholes does is unnecessary, and as long as there are haters like him, I will keep defending her. Nobody is perfect and we all have our flaws. I just don't think it's a coincidence that tons of major stars die because of drugs, it's a plague in the entertainment industry. I don't understand why my dad smokes cigarettes, but I can assure he's the best father I could ever ask for. And I'm sure neither you or people around you are perfect, despite being great people. So like I said, nobody should judge.

Heart disease you say? I say smoking crack for 20 years played a big part in her heart disease. In fact many people have died from cocaine-induced heart attacks over the years. Her drug abuse was a major factor in her early death.

[CJohn]

This weekend sucks...

[wileECoyote]

It's certainly possible. But do the studios know something we don't? Is there some big TV event tonight?

Friday and Saturday bumps don't seem to be as good last year as this year. Maybe that's it?

[wboxoffice]

Heart disease you say? I say smoking crack for 20 years played a big part in her heart disease. In fact many people have died from cocaine-induced heart attacks over the years. Her drug abuse was a major factor in her early death.

True, it is most likely is a factor, but the fact remains that she didn't die of an "overdose" or like a "junkie". It's more like when you smoke cigarettes for years, eventually you might have cancer. But Whitney in her last few years was looking beautiful, glowing and was at a better place in her life. Watch Sparkle, she's freaking beautiful and on top of her game, and everyone loved to be around her. Hardly a "junkie" and "crackhead". She still used drugs, but her death was more a result of a longterm use, but not an overdose. So I'm just correcting the wrong facts. Edited August 26, 2012 by wboxoffice

[Moviedweeb]

I don't see how it misses the WW total. It's doing better in most international markets so far and the one where it's not, the UK, never really embraced the first one anyway.

I agree, it would be amazing if this hit $300m WW. I just really like what Sly and co. are doing and what this film represents. Even surpassing the first film (which as you said, is pretty much a slam-dunk) is a big win for the franchise and even the genre in general.

[baumer]

True, it is most likely is a factor, but the fact remains that she didn't die of an "overdose" or like a "junkie". It's more like when you smoke cigarettes for years, eventually you might have cancer. But Whitney in her last few years was looking beautiful, glowing and was at a better place in her life. Watch Sparkle, she's freaking beautiful and on top of her game, and everyone loved her. She still used drugs, but her death was more a result of a longterm use, but not an overdose. So I'm just correcting the wrong facts.

To me you are skewing them. She was found in a hotel bath tub, was she not? Look, it doesn't really matter. You like her and that's cool. I don't really care what happened to her. So there you go.

[wboxoffice]

To me you are skewing them. She was found in a hotel bath tub, was she not? Look, it doesn't really matter. You like her and that's cool. I don't really care what happened to her. So there you go.

I don't care for the super violent Expendables 2 either, especially since I've lived through a real war. To me it's a disgusting movie with no point but to kill people and promote violence. But it's not I'm going all over the board dissing EXP2, like a few haters are dissing Whitney, but maybe if I was doing it then you would have been annoyed. So all I ask is to kind of stop bumping the "Whitney personal life" topic cause the more you guys bash her the more I will defend her. And believe me with one post, I can make thousands of Whitney fans take over the board, so be nice

[redfirebird2008]

True, it is most likely is a factor, but the fact remains that she didn't die of an "overdose" or like a "junkie". It's more like when you smoke cigarettes for years, eventually you might have cancer. But Whitney in her last few years was looking beautiful, glowing and was at a better place in her life. Watch Sparkle, she's freaking beautiful and on top of her game, and everyone loved to be around her. Hardly a "junkie" and "crackhead". She still used drugs, but her death was more a result of a longterm use, but not an overdose. So I'm just correcting the wrong facts.

She was a junkie. Her fans were in denial about it for many, many years because she "looked great" and because she DID lie to them about it repeatedly. You appear to still be in denial about it. Whitney looked amazing in the 90's even while being a crackhead. God blessed her with a beautiful face. Lately she looked terrible to me, but that was after 20 years of drug abuse. Eventually it catches up, no matter how good she looked back in the day.

[baumer]

@wboxoffice Ok. Fair enough. That makes sense.

Edited August 26, 2012 by Expendable baumer