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Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
Wall-E is a great choice for number 1, the best of the realistic options. -
The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread
Tower replied to Shawn Robbins's topic in Box Office Discussion
That's just Leoh's posting style, and not just for Godzilla. He likes to repeat his opinions about 30 times for each movie, whether he thinks it will do well or not. He was high on KFP4 (which worked out) and Madame web (LOL) and Ghostbusters, but low on Dune (wrong) and now Godzilla. If it bothers you, you should just put him on ignore. -
BOT Top 25 movies of 2023 | Send in your lists by March 1 2024
Tower replied to grim22's topic in Box Office Discussion
Made it to 68 films, almost everything I wanted to get to: 1 Poor Things 2 Oppenheimer 3 Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse 4 Guardians Of The Galaxy 3 5 Killers Of The Flower Moon 6 Society Of The Snow 7 Saltburn 8 Seven Blessings 9 American Fiction 10 The Iron Claw 11 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem 12 They Cloned Tyrone 13 The Holdovers 14 The Color Purple 15 Past Lives 16 Anatomy Of A Fall 17 Bottoms 18 Talk To Me 19 No Hard Feelings 20 Nyad 21 The Zone Of Interest 22 Dungeons & Dragons: Honour Among Thieves 23 Theater Camp 24 M3gan 25 Elemental -
Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
About 10 minutes of bad plot, with the rest of the time padded by incredibly long and dull songs: 10 minutes about cooking and cleaning, 10 minutes about taking a bath... It might be important for the development of animations and Disney, but it's also one of the most boring films I have ever seen. -
That's not tracking, that's box office pro predictions. I respect Shawn and maybe this ends up being correct, but I don't think it's fair to call everyone else's numbers as predictions, and theirs as tracking.
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Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
Another film that only I voted for, this one I saw specifically for this list. It looked interesting enough from the description, but I was still surprised about how much I loved this. Also a 90's film that feels more topical than ever. -
Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
Amsterdam, Frida and Blindness, we have reached the "films that I loved but no one else here did" stage of the list. -
Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
The only other Meirelles film I have seen is Blindness, which got mediocre reviews, but I thought was great and I had at 26 on this list. Probably means I should watch the constant Gardner and maybe The Two Popes. -
Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
After shitting on WDAS it's time to give credit when it's due. This film is great and deserves to make this list. -
Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
I submitted a list and I'm following the reveal of a Disney list despite thinking that the 1937 Snow White is one of the worst films of all time (and several other classic WDAS are bad). I know what I'm getting myself into, and I'm OK with that. -
Box Office Theory Forum’s Top 100 Disney Movies
Tower replied to Eric Atreides's topic in List and Countdowns
This is it, we have reached the cinematic peak of this list, with one of the greatest films ever made. I could complain about its low placing and how 90 lesser films will now follow, but considering the kind of film and list this is, I consider it a win just making the top 100. -
I know what I care about isn't what studios do, but I'm not the studio and nobody else here is either. And studios might not care about comparing films but they do care about how much a film makes beyond categorizing it as flop or not flop. 200M and 400M is not the same to the studio even if both are below the break even number. Sequels are made by predicting what the film will make, which is only partly based on the previous films performance. And legs are part of what you can use to predict the sequels. The mechanic didn't make 2x its budget, making it a flop based on the thinking on this forum, but got a sequel anyway. And on the other end there are films that made their break even but the bad legs caused by being received poorly make them long term failures for the studio. BVS and Quantumania did fine in pure box office analysis, but studios should not be pleased because they clearly harmed the sequels. Even if you care about the financial health of the studio, I don't think the break even point is even the most important anyway. The goal of the studio isn't to break even, it's to make a profit. Merely hitting the exact break even point on every film would still be bad.
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There are several reasons I don't like the break even discussions. 1. The discussions are based solely on box office numbers, and non box office revenue is ignored. This hasn’t made sense since the invention of television, but it's especially strange in today's world. We now have 100M+ budgeted films with no theatrical release considered a success by the studio, but a film with that budget making 200M in the box office is declared a definitive flop. 2. We don’t have all the proper data to know what the break even from theatrical is. The box office numbers themselves are available. how much studios actually make from that we have some idea but not all of it. Budgets estimates are quite unreliable, you can easily get estimates 50M apart from two different sites, or even from the same site a month apart. Marketing budgets are basically guesswork, which is why people will often throw out numbers 100M apart. 3. The break even discussion is dichotomous in a way that it isn’t in reality. Every film either makes its break even number and is a success or misses it and is a flop. But in reality it’s more about how much it makes than whether it hit a specific number. You can call the break even of a 200M budgeted film at 500M, but 450M is still closer to 550M than 200M (despite both being flops) and 550M is still closer to 450M than 1B (despite both being successful). Personally I care more about how a film performs compared to similar films, whether a sequel increases or decreases from the original, or how a film holds week to week, than whether it hits a single magic number.
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