The Panda

I do think 3x multi is likely the best case scenario, maybe 3.2x at an Iron Man level. It had a really strong IM compared to most large opening summer tentpoles, so that could lead to a larger than normal DOM multi. I also think WW playing well with female and older audiences will lead to better legs than younger oriented comic book movies.

A new forum Rule should be that if you criticize Marvel/DC you must either also criticize the other or say two nice about it. We obviously need to go elementary on this given the state of this thread.

What is all of this negative press covfefe?

Eh, I don't like CW or BvS, but I wouldn't call either ambitionless. I'd actually say one of their big flaws is they try to do way too much than they really need to.

The MCU and DCEU both overall feel like convoluted TV Shows that have too much going on and too many characters just for the sake of having a lot of plot and characters. They're both at their best when they focus in and make a movie that's not worried about Universe Building and the plot of the overall franchise (see GOTG or WW). The tie-ins aren't terrible but they can easily turn movies into messes to people who aren't fans (see CW and BvS)

I don't think TA3 can increase much from Civil War. The deeper you get into these convoluted crossover plots, the more you'll alienate anyone who's not a fan. We saw it with Civil War and TA2, and I reckon we'll see similar things again. Marvel definitely needs to soft reboot their universe after Infinity War is done. Otherwise the ceiling for their crossover stuff is going to keep dropping. Albeit, I do think an increase from CW is possible since you'll include Thor, Hulk and some of the Guardians. But it's going to be hard to get people who didn't care about CW to care about TA3.

It's been a few years since we've had a mainstream horror movie with rave critical reviews and a premise that plays well to the academy. Im just saying there's precedent for horror movies from February.

So it looks like it is pulling a strong IM after all. Even though I predicted higher, anything over 100m is a really massive success for WW. It's also proving not to be frontloaded.

If it helps, Silence of the Lambs was also a February release, and it has a lot of similarities to Get Out.

A Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 Logan Wonder Woman B Alien: Covenant The LEGO Batman Movie Beauty and the Beast Kong: Skull Island Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales Split C A Dog's Purpose The Fate of the Furious Gifted The Wall D Baywatch Before I Fall Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul The Great Wall The Shack F King Arthur: Legend of the Sword Monster Trucks Resident Evil: The Final Chapter Planning on Renting Get Out Ghost in the Shell John Wick: Chapter 2 The Case for Christ Life The Lost City of Z Your Name T2: Trainspotting The Founder The Zookeeper's Wife For sure seeing in theaters (June) It Comes at Night The Mummy The Big Sick I, Daniel Blake Baby Driver The Book of Henry Cars 3 All Eyez on Me Despicable Me 3 The House Transformers: The Last Knight (July) Dunkirk War for the Planet of the Apes A Ghost Story Atomic Blonde Spider-Man: Homecoming Lady Macbeth Menashe Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets (August) Detroit The Dark Tower Wind River The Glass Castle Good Time The Hitman's Bodyguard (September) It Kingsman: The Golden Circle The Solutrean Woodshock Ninjago American Made Flatliners Samson (October) Blade Runner 2049 2017 Cloverfield Movie mother! The Snowman The Mountain Between Us Geostorm Granite Mountain (November) Coco Thor: Ragnorak Murder on the Orient Express Suburbicon Darkest Hour Justice League Wonder Mary Magdelene The Star (December) Star Wars: The Last Jedi The Disaster Artist The Shape of the Water Pitch Perfect 3 Downsizing The Post The Greatest Showman on Earth Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle The Current War The Six Billion Dollar Man Untitled PTA Ferdinand

I only do 3D if I can't fit a 2D time in (or if I'm watching something in IMAX). I hate wearing the glasses.

The waste of space is a motif of The Futurist's greater persona.

I haven't seen Captain Underpants, but I don't think I have to to know those probably don't apply to it.

You should start culturing him. Make him watch Hard to be a God.

This reminds me of this fifth grader, who I mentored when he was in 1st grade, who I saw the other day and told me "Seeing you made me feel nostalgic!"

Explain this

Evans was good in Snowpiercer. And we've had more out of the blue Oscar nominations and wins from actors you wouldn't expect. I could see any of the four potentially landing a role that leads to an Oscar nom.

I wouldn't jump the gun on WW's legs. I think it will have good comic book movie legs, but who knows? Stranger things have happened.

What defines good legs depends on the movie. GOTG Vol 2 is a comic book sequel that opened north of 100m looking to have around a 2.7xish multi, those are good legs for its criteria. Meanwhile, a 2.7x multi for a movie like DM3 would show bad legs, as family animations rarely go under 3x unless they're poorly received.

I do think it's possible that WW is going to end up taking the flack for poorly received SS and BvS, despite being a solid and liked movie.

1. It Comes at Night 2. Blade Runner 2049 3. Detroit 4. Wind River 5. Dunkirk 6. A Ghost Story 7. Baby Driver 8. War for the Planet of the Apes 9. Atomic Blonde 10. It

Wasn't he interested in doing a Hiroshima movie after Avatar, at one point? I had heard that, and that sounded much more promising than a sequel.

June is early Summer, so seasonality still plays better for GOTG vs WW. And you'd be right on GOTG2 but there's still other factors besides seasonality. You also have to factor in NBA Finals, large sporting events are notorious for muting the Box Office when they happen. However, like AoU rebounded from the fight on Saturday, Id expect WW to rebound with a higher Friday. Then, WW is skewing 50/50 M/F, and I'm thinking it's also playing better with families compared to other DCU movies and better with older audiences. I also think it's looking to be less frontloaded in general, as WoM looks to be a driving factor for its success.

No, it would not. GOTG2 came out in May, where previews are lower and so it'll have a higher IM compared to GOTG1 (which came out in the dead heat of summer). GOTG2 having more awareness and a larger fanbase theoretically lowers the IM, but that was obviously outweighed by seasonality.

Time of the year (GOTG had a large preview number but weaker multi than say Winter Soldier due to it being August), NBA Finals, WW skews more towards Woman, families and older audiences than the other DC movies. The hype also seemed more WoM based and less fanboy based, which leads to better multis all around.