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Yay for HTTYD2 back in the top 10!The Pirates has two presales numbers, is one of them supposed to be Roaring Currents?

The gross difference isn't really THAT bad - last weekend it was up to $22.6M (not sure how much it gained this Mon-Fri) down from $25.1m, while admissions are up from 2,603,857 to (currently) 2,965,790. That's almost a 14% admissions increase - would be more like $28.6M?I'm continuing this in Dragon 2's OS thread.

Does anybody have both admissions AND gross data for both HTTYD1 and HTTYD2 in any particular countries? I got to thinking about because of South Korea, where HTTYD2 has passed HTTYD1 in admissions, but not in gross, due to only about 25% of admissions for Dragon 2 being for 3D, down from something like 75% for Dragon 1.I'm curious how many foreign markets had more growth in admissions than in gross, and specifically how much of that is due to declining popularity of 3D (as opposed to local market factors - economic decline, changes in currency value, fewer people going to the movies). I'd prefer local-currency grosses, since the changes in exchange rates against U.S. dollars would just complicate the comparisons.HTTYD1 vs. HTTYD2 makes a great test case for the popularity of 3D in 2010 vs. 2014, since the first film came out right after Avatar, and the 3D was THE big selling point. Domestically, if HTTYD2 had had as big a 3D share as HTTYD1, it would probably be in the 190s - maybe even 200m, I'm not working off solid 2D vs. 3D price averages. (There won't be a better pair of films to compare until 2016, when Alice in Wonderland 2 and - hopefully - Avatar 2 come out.)For Germany, insidekino has the admissions and gross for HTTYD1, but only admissions for HTTYD2.Dragon 1:1,625,651 adm. / €12,557,052 grossDragon 2 (as of 8-17):1,903,096 adm. / €??,???,??? gross

3D also dropped in South Korea. For example, even with competition cutting out its legs, HTTYD2 gross will ONLY end up behind HTTYD1's because of drastically reduced 3D business. It beats it in admissions handily, but most of those admissions were for 2D. (And if HTTYD2 had the amount of domestic 3D sales that HTTYD1 did, it'd probably have ended up with a total closer The Croods' $187M...)I'd love to see some Dragon 1 vs. Dragon 2 comparisons for other countries that have both gross and admissions data for both movies - in the HTTYD2 OS thread, of course.

Thought so. I actually wouldn't be surprised if China refuses to approve it for that reason. It would be stupid, but it sounds like something they would do.Sad, because I just have a feeling that Chinese audiences might enjoy this movie.

No love for Adam?

Yes, yes, see it! You won't regret it, it's great.

Hey, something I need to point out. "Belleville Rendez Vous" is an alternate title for The Triplets of Belleville in some countries. So those points will need to be rolled into that film's score.

Why? You think it's going to be rejected by the government censors because they think it's pro-Taiwan or something like that?

Some people here and elsewhere have argued that the Dragons TV show hurt anticipation for HTTYD2 by making it less of a theatrical "must-see." Puss will get a series on Netflix between now and when the sequel comes out, so could that also hurt Puss 2? (Or will being on Netflix mitigate that because it won't be AS readily accessible?)

As I said: After Shrek 2, every part 2 from DWA has dropped from part 1 domestically. (And in fact, out of all their post-2004 sequels, only Shrek 3 and Madagascar 3 have outgrossed their first installments - but adjusted for inflation, no DWA sequel after Shrek 2 has matched or surpassed the admisssions of its series' first film.)So if we go purely by historical trends, a domestic drop for Croods 2 feels almost like a foregone conclusion. This will have to fight an uphill battle to win over domestic audiences. (An OS increase will be much easier.)A Croods TV series will also come out in the interim - if the Dragons series really did hurt HTTYD2 as some argue, that might not bode well for this. (The difference is that the Croods series - as with all of DWA's future TV output - will be exclusively on Netflix, not on Cartoon Network like the first two seasons of Dragons were. So it may not be AS exposed or AS accessible as it would be on a basic cable channel.)

That's still big, but must HTTYD2 drop big on weekend 2 in EVERY market?!Oh well, still won't question China's tastes. They'll put HTTYD2 over $400M OS, without a good run in China that wouldn't be possible.

That's three-fourths of a percent of the maximum potential daily admissions (7 out of 940). That's baaaaaaad.

Actually, going by BOM, the Untitleds said "Fox/DWA/Blue Sky", almost as if Fox didn't actually know whose studio's film was going to go there, just that they wanted SOMETHING animated in those slots...

Fox's system of reserving dates for animated features is weird. It's never been clear to me whether they'd actually have enough films to be able to fill all those dates. It almost feels like they reserved extra dates for contingency plans or something. (And a few films were slotted for dates Fox hadn't already taken - I feel like the scheduling of Captain Underpants and Larrikins in previously unreserved Jan/Feb slots was a reaction to how successful The Lego Movie was in February...)

Considering that every DWA "two-quel" aside from Shrek 2 has dropped from the first domestically, I'd actually be inclined to agree with you.

Fox has actually had a family release every Christmas, or just before Christmas, since Cheaper by the Dozen in 2003. The closest thing to an exception was Marley and Me in '08, and even that was PG.2003: Cheaper by the Dozen2004: Fat Albert2005: Cheaper by the Dozen 22006: Night at the Museum2007: Alvin 1 (one week earlier)2008: Marley and Me2009: Alvin 22010: Gulliver's Travels2011: Alvin 3 (one week earlier)2012: Parental Guidance2013: Walking with Dinosaurs (+ Walter Mitty on the 25th)2014: NATM32015: KFP32016: Alvin 42017: Croods 22018: Puss 2So Fox will have had something in or near the Christmas slot for 15 years straight.

Yes I do. I was just surprised that it was the highest-attended movie in the top 10. Proportionally, it's doing better than anything else. Even if it's only 3000 tickets.Whatever, I guess I'm overthinking this.

My point was, I was amazed that The Other Woman is so popular in Italian Switzerland, when it doesn't seem to have done as well as a proportion of total moviegoing in Italy itself.

Yes, I just realized that and corrected my original post.I just mistakenly assumed those weekends would have been set aside for Avatar. But actually, I remembered that Fox staked those pre-Christmas slots for animated films a long time ago, way before the Croods 2/Puss 2 November announcements.

Um...Fox is releasing the Avatar sequels too. So could these moves be interpreted as a sign that they're NOT opening an Avatar sequel that weekend? (Unless they plan to do an Avatar/Alvin and release it the weekend before...)

Whoa, HTTYD2 has been really popular in German Switzerland. As in quite a few smaller European markets (Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia), it's done better business than TF4.But even more surprising is that Italian Swiss total for The Other Woman. What the hell?

Does anyone actually get Arbor Day off?

Hercules was Millennium Films, the same production company behind Expendables.It's similar to how Sony didn't lose much on Mortal Instruments or Pompeii because they were pickups from Constantin Film.

Radio Flyer. I never saw it, but remember the poster and trailers advertising a whimsical Spielbergian kid adventure.Years later, I found out that in the actual movie, all that stuff with the flying wagon was the kids' outlet of mental escape from being abused by their alcoholic dad...