Joel M

I think for Joker 2 it's a given that it will at least make Avatar 2 admissions. The first movie was a phenomenon, and not that long ago. For Gladiator who nows. The huge gap and no Russell Crowe might as well turn it into another big budget movie that does just fine here. But in any case for both it would be really hard to come anywhere close to 900.000. You need a lot more than good reception and nostalgia for that.

Why are all the anime hits so mis-reported? It's annoying. I follow the boxoffice fairly close like most in here and I was shocked to find out a year later that Suzume and First Slam Dunk actually did 100m in China alone.

What kind of remake, though? With new characters or is Daisy Edgar Jones re-cast as Helen Hunt's character? The latter one would be just stupid.

Great teaser. I immediately jumped in the hype train when the musical thing was anounced, even though I'm neither a huge musical or Joker 1 fan. It just seemed very bold to take a movie so succesfull in such a different direction for the sequel. And it seems like it's paying off already. The footage looks great and I think the buzz wouldn't be the same with a more "normal" sequel. Even if it ends up with bad reception because of the musical aspect or because it's just bad, there's enough excitement/curiosity that at least financially it already looks safe. About the actual footage I really liked that Harley is another patient already, really frees the movie up from the burdens of the usual Joker-Harley dynamic. These are the kind of comic book movies that should care the least about established lore. Unironically expect some #NotMyJoker stuff going down by culture warriors in October, to what extent, I guess we will see.

really? I though this was a modern take on Wolfman like the Invisible Man remake. At least that's what they were saying when it started as a Gosling-Whanell vehicle. Did it change with all the talent switches?

Arrival was a real hit too but I know what you mean. Never really expected him to hit as hard with Dune after BR2049. It's a little crazy that they even gave him the money after 2049 floped.

Yeah Phoenix was paid 4.5mil upfront for the first film and Phillips forego his salary for a stake in the movie, which was smart. I bet this time around they are both getting a huge upfront pay on top of whatever backends they still have. I wouldn't be shocked if just those two along with Gaga are getting something like 50mil combined on upfront salaries.

I think that was partially a by-product of the change in popularity of animation brands that was happening at the time. The 2000s were PIXAR vs DW with everyone else a very distant third. During 2010 in the shadow of TS3 and Shrek 4, Illumination broke out with Despicable Me and WDAS had a comeback with Tangled. The tide shifted quickly after that and suddenly Princesses and Minions were all the rage, while PIXAR and DW started feeling a bit played out for a time.

yeah I don't think we need all that. As a non-book reader the spice to me is just space oil. Makes cars go but also you can sniff it.

I think in most cases it's people who liked or were intrigued by some stuff in part1 but were overall underwhelmed/bored by the lack of incident or closure finally clicked with part2 after all the legwork was out of the way. But yeah there's some "YUGE jump in quality" reactions which I also don't get. To each his own, I guess. To me they seem 2 parts of a whole. If I didn't know they were shot years apart I would assume they were shot back-to-back like lotr and kill bill.

Initial thoughts

Yeah it's a masterpiece. I didn't know the story and tried to stay as unspoiled as possible but I could tell from the end of the first movie that this was shaping up to be something really special. And it plays like a giant payoff to the promise of the first movie.

People on twitter insist this is Vineland after the set pics but it also seems set in modern times? So a Pynchon adaptation after all, but not a direct one like Inherent Vice? I have no idea, haven't read the book.

Those 4 lead acting noms for Netflix bait really breaks my brain. I thought they weren't gonna go as hard as SAG on them but alas. The acting branch really is the worst at picking its own nominees almost every year. I get Maestro was the big bait of they year and got many noms, but Margot Robbie and Greta Lee getting snubbed for Anette Benning playing Donald Trump lookalike is pretty tragic.