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I am not sure if it is a rumor that circulated in all media market or if I am misremembering, I remember something along the line far into release that maybe they would push the release of home media a ridiculous amount of time, many years I think, almost the mental equivalent of never. That not a crazy way to think about this for a movie that would have been super popular in China in the today world, for the market grow to be able to compensate the others factor. An other way to see it, Titanic was number one almost everywhere (again I think my market famously had a local movie Les Boys competing with and rumored to be above but that hard to believe), that for sure can simply happen and looking what a number 1 virtually everywhere (while breaking all time record in some, absolute dollar wise like dom) in today market would look like could be an other indication.

That a complete different statement, there is no doubt it is a popular movie (did a billion dollar), the statement was I am not sure that it is the most popular R-rated movie of all time, i.e. I am not sure the Joker was a more popular movie than the Matrix was or Saving Private Ryan or Godfather and so on. Box office does not equal popularity since Television started (Shawshank Redemption and It's A Wonderful life are 2 of the most popular movie of all time and did not break anything at the box office) but unadjusted box office would just be a silly way to rank movie popularity over time. Considering the open ending it is a bit of a strange position, I get not wanting a sequel hurt your own and collective experience of the first entry (Matrix being maybe a really good example here), but for a franchise character with already so many entry made like you said about the Joker.... hard to be too attached to it. That said movie with a very strong particular aesthetic and that work because of it like the Joker I feel tend to be better in little dose, the stronger the aesthetic the shorter you get "away" with, that why the short movie genre is the one that can push things the farther and the long run tv series the least.

Popularity do not equal wanting a sequel (hard to judge popularity, but I doubt that title, The Matrix, Saving Private Ryan, etc...). Titanic is arguably the most popular movie ever, I am not sure many want a sequel and for the same reason a sequel to the Joker seam strange. The movie that challenge it is Gone With The wind, sequel came 55 year's later.

Not sure what that mean, if they do not cancel the project, there will be 7 roles played by 7 person no ? Hard to see them doing it without those roles, specially with the spotlight put on them and being a Disney version that would not go far from it like the Stewart/Hemsowrth/Theron one.

That said if she smile in the trailers, people do not even have to know who she is to have some possible effect. She has old school Hollywood star screen presence.

I wonder what it say about just how much American are exporting their views on racism and diversity in such a blunt way, that one of the most diverse award body ever made that was the HFPA, born from all over the world and writing for publication of all over the world could be perceived to have a big diversity issue. HFPA recent former president was named Meher Tatna, was from India, I think only 3 of the 87 voters were Americans which has a bit of the point (Euros, Asian, Indian, South Americans, etc...), to expect that body to reflect American diversity and have member of the American-X community and trying to impose American population type of views and diversity on the Foreign entertainment press..... They even had a voter that was almost blind and deaf. I would not mix activism here with the situation too much (how many people life get lifted for the better if anything change with the HFPA, come on), it was a not controlled/owned by the industry powerful and hated group.

Is it just me that it hurt the legacy of Marvel success a little bit ? There was no brilliant build up, not a single particularly good spider man movie since Spider Man 2, yet a Jon Watts movie of all peoples, with those trailers of all trailers open like that just by throwing a lot of beloved figure in it ?

I think that goes true for the era in general, a time where CGI started to be really good but not enough for a lot of things, that film and film preservation was close to reach is peak. Titanic will probably age well forever, Saving Private Ryan has pretty much 0 issue and what help is what came just after, Digital camera not fully ready and a bit of overuse of CGI relative to their quality, a windows that will not age that well, even for the best like some part of the very first Lord of the Rings could use better texture/rendering and Gollum is much better in the sequels, that make the lates 90s look better in comparison. The Matrix and it's sequels being an extreme example of that. Phantom Menace around that time being a strange case and possible counter example too, the CGI being the last of the issue with it, being almost fully practical but not much in camera and would have gained a lot of non being so practical sfx/miniature set.

Not obvious how much public messaging of the sort help, but Canada did really well, outside "islands country" not many had less pandemic death since the beginning.

Age aside (which is less and less an issue in a world with 80 year's old president and superhuman aging a la Johnson), even too they do not go for much realism, it would still be extremely hard for Dwayne Johnson to blind in any crowd, put a regular worker/staff suit and so on to do Bond jobs.

From memory Cloud Atlas was an international effort that included the Wachowskis, Tom Hanks, German goverment/europeen union "goverment" money and very little if any of Warners themselve, Warner distributed some market (theatrical-home videos), but it was a German movie, with a giant list of distributor and financier.

Number of the study mentionned: https://thequorum.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Exhibition-At-A-Crossroads-11.29.21.pdf

That a bit unfair, why would Japanese by offended by an hero that cry over Hiroshima destruction. To make a bit of a bad parallels imagine a deity like figure helping humanity making planes, and crashing down crying in a movie after realizing the Royal Air Force used is invention to fire bomb a Nazi Germany cities and presenting that action has dramatic and having some Jews not at ease with that artistic decision and thinking really that the WW2 part those deities would have their breaking point ?

Do they need to not release it theatrical domestic to bring sub in japan, sk ?

It was a different time: Gaining D+ customer is about impossible by now, would need some shift for pixar to go PVOD and a turn around.

The article are bizarre, if they are those you have in mind: https://variety.com/2021/film/news/no-time-to-die-highest-grossing-movie-losing-money-blockbusters-1235111919/ they are not saying it is not a hit, they are saying a really strange: As a result, the film now stands to lose $100 million in its theatrical run, according to sources close to production. And ? If they implying anything special from that, that is very out of touch, the last Bond was around -100 million after theatrical has well.

Which would be more than the DVD era, From 2007 to 2014 of 29.5 billions Sony made from movies 10.25 came from theater. Theatrical release cost during that period (marketing+prints+wpf/freight and others) was of 11.01 billion it costed them 107% them their rental, it was not that the movie was not profitable, the movie release did not even pay for itself, if we forget how much value for the next windows theatrical release give a movie. The movie breaking even in theatrical release has been an exceptional event for a very long time.

Not sure of the implication, look in the olds days red box most rented movies ranking: 2013: 1. Identity Thief 2. The Heat 3. World War Z 4. Flight 5. Olympus Has Fallen 6. Django Unchained 7. Grown Ups 2 8. White House Down 9. Here Comes the Boom 10. Now You See Me 2014: 1. "Captain Phillips" 2. "The Wolf of Wall Street" 3. "22 Jump Street" 4. "The Equalizer" 5. "Divergent" 6. "The Hunger Games: Catching Fire" 7. "Ride Along" 8. "Neighbors" 9. "Jackass Presents: Bad Grandpa" 10. "Tammy" The most from 2002 to 2012: 10. 'Rango' 9. 'The Proposal' 8. 'Zookeeper' 7. 'Bridesmaids' 6. 'Salt' 5. 'Jack and Jill' 4. '21 Jump Street' 3. 'Grown Ups' 2. 'Bad Teacher' 1. 'Just Go With It' I.E. no Spider-Man, Nemo, Shrek, Stars Wars, Batman, Avengers, etc... in there. Has you see it is a complete domination of Adam Sandler & Melissa McCarthy ( not too dissimilar to what play really big on Netflix and what Netflix tend to do the most now) What people are ready to spend $1-2 to watch versus a night in theater is significantly different and ott SVOD is an extreme version of that, some long form content on youtube that make 10 millions views would not sell more than 10 ticket in theater. And by the same token movie with a worth it the price tag are seen before reaching red box by people interested by them. Translating views into some near direct BO equivalent would be total bs and the equivalent of saying that a (not has worst but....) compilation of the most popular video clips would have made 100 billions in theater , but that not what Neflix numbers are saying or anything they imply by them. Has for Netflix ruining the cinematic experience and the prestige of the Oscars, it is pretty much already all done by now and maybe transferred a bit into Netflix need to save us from the franchise deluge of the rest of the Studios that installed itself

I mean the individual critics score on MC for the movie: https://www.metacritic.com/movie/ghostbusters-afterlife/critic-reviews The highest IGN/NY post are around 90 the lowest (Atlantic, LA times) are around 10-15, this is pretty much as far of an homogenic group that has a consensus on the movie you can get.

I really do no share the Bayona entry has a bad one in that franchise sentiment, was maybe my second favorite to be honest (with a lot of embracing the non-sense and quite cinematic), specially relative to the Trevorrow previous entry (which after book of Henry and Stars debacle was not an obvious choice here I would imagine).

For the movie that spawned the conversation, Ghostbuster goes from 90 on metacritic to 10, with almost a perfect normal distribution spread (14 positive, 22 mixed, 10 negative) That is about the less all the same/clique critical reaction to a movie one can make.

Using this old thread to comments on the talks on critics: @CenterMeOnSam There is a serious issue with the fact that critics are a bit homogenous. There's not a LOT of diversity of thought with critics because they are primarily looking at films from a different lens. Yeah, sure, there are some that are probably more in line with your average moviegoer in America, but not the majority. To become a film critics, you likely have a much higher bar for the product you see, which is great! But, as that becomes more and more the case... you will continue to see critical/audience divides. It depend of what we talk about when we talks critics, but something like popular youtube channel and podcast (and the giant among of critics that arrive from the franchise fanbase side of it), I am not sure is less in line with the average movie goers than in many era of the pass. There is many force in place, to become a film critics you often like movies (lower the bar), watch hundreds of them every year (in some ways higher the bar in other lower it, after having seen the 100 worst movies, something average can look really good) @Last Man Standing I don't see the point of the critics discourse: NO-ONE blindly trusts critics, everyone knows they're a weird little clique with their own biases Really unsure about either claim, the Globes membership was a little clique hanging around, If you look here: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/red_notice/reviews There is critics from spain, Australia, UK, Canada, USA, Israel, Singapore, Ireland, from the Patriot Ledger to Vanity Fair, to some mother in mo,vies publication to Fat guys at the movies, to NPR to the Financial Times. The list of critics is giants: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/critics/authors https://www.rottentomatoes.com/critics/sources Podcast on the genre: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/genre/podcasts-tv-film/id1309 Youtube channels: https://blog.feedspot.com/movie_review_youtube_channels/ 90 Movie Review Youtube Channels For Movie Lovers It is quite far in 2021 to a little clique, it is not little by any stretch (there is no curating anymore in that sector and for a long time) and it is not a clique either, many are doing it without getting in contact with anyone else much now (and a giant amount that make a living out of it get way too much in contact with it at the same time). People do not trust the little click that get handpicked by studios to see the previews and those (for the different group) that often get handpicked together can become clicks, but it is worldwide, each media ecosystem having their own critics and many international one.

Is that true, in the USA personal saving rate exploded to record high since early 2020: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/business/consumer-saving-spending-boom/index.html https://time.com/nextadvisor/banking/savings/us-saving-rate-soaring/ https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PSAVERT It is hard to make some segment of the population to pay for in-door in person experience (but that would be true even for free), but people are spending : https://www.reuters.com/business/us-retail-sales-beat-expectations-october-2021-11-16/

Some people have nothing to do with the Disney/DC movies at all get hurt when they do not well, obviously someone that put years into a project, with giant stake, will be massively hurt when they fell. To the point of irrationality, to diminish the pain.

Having listened to some of is commentary track, it has been a while.