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Not sure what exactly is your point, put if I understand what you are quoting correctly you are quoting an example of a movie that did just that.

Those talk are always a bit opaque to me but if the studio really helped the studio to make 450m additional merchandise revenues with the Last Jedi, can you imagine how crazy that is. That would be more than the 404m they made at the domestic box office everyone is talking about (620*.65), it would be like for a movie that do not sell merchandise to had a 1.5b run in China and made 2.8b at the world box office that way. IF Solo make 15% of that (big if) that still a big game changer for a bottom line (big big if because with how much of sales are expected to be right away if a movie bomb you could have you or your partner having overproduced them), but that is around the theatrical reveneues of making 170m oversea outside China.

It didn't came close to any record, it was not even the best sellers of 2018 (that was Avengers) let alone coming close to the previous Star Wars performance. That was the news: “Solo” had the second-best first day of presales of the year, behind only “Avengers: Infinity War.” That show the power of the click-bait title, that what many remember (or I imagine most never did read the article and really thought Solo did break a record).

Suicide Squad did really push that concept to a ridiculous extreme with the bloobs ennemy. To keep your PG-13 rating that almost a rules, in general you cannot show the consequence of violence without loosing it. Like showing a kid crying because someone else die violently can make your movie R rated, you can keep the violent death but not show a kid cry/distress about it more than X second.

The trailer were good imo and I doubt could be the reason: Look epic, I'm rich line, Aquaman intro, the cover version of the very popular song is well done, the trailer that play on TV had good attention index and attention score for a movie like this. With a 95% positive sentiment and a 9.5 engagement rating

There is not necessarily much business logic in how the character ended, that was probably this or Ford was not getting on board if he didn't directly described what he wanted to do. Your hand become tie when you need really rich people to agree. Not sure I agree with the lighthearted prequel / tone here, many even complained about the too dark and grim photography and aesthetic of it.

Peter rabbit is a nice I non P too and RPO is a 180m something Speilberg movie from a popular book. It does happen in animation and horror movies yes, outside of that it is quite rare. Just count how many non-horror live action without any IP/popular real live event/biopic that made 100m in the last few year's (Nolan will be a significant percentage of them): 2016: Hidden Figures *(not sure how the real story in itself was a draw here, it was the movie A+ cinemascore that did it) La la land Central intelligence Sully (*that a case were the real life story probably helped quite a bit like Amerian Sniper) Bad Moms Arrival Passenger 2017: Baby Driver Girls trip Wonder Greatest Showman Dunkirk (popular real life event, but Nolan would have probably pushed it at 100m without that) 2018: None yet, Rampage came really close a 9 figures budget affairs starring Dwayne Johnson (if we say the IP didn't do much for it and I would agree, it is not strong like a Peter Rabbit type). For the non big studio comedy, you better getting some A/A+ cinemascore or near 100% RT performance to reach it.

Would be worst than a 60% drop from the real FSS to FSS hold... quite bad.

That do sound really ridiculous, even if they would be right how would someone possibly be able to know something like that... I think you could create a consensus around BvS being an ok box office because of it<s monster opening while being a box office legs failure: If we look at the top global opening: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/worldwideopenings.htm Rank Title Studio Worldwide Opening Domestic Opening / % Overseas Opening / % Year 1 Avengers: Infinity War BV $640.5 $257.7 40.2% $382.8 59.8% 2018 2 The Fate of the Furious Uni. $541.9 $98.8 18.2% $443.2 81.8% 2017 3 Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV $529.0 $248.0 46.9% $281.0 53.1% 2015 4 Jurassic World Uni. $525.5 $208.8 39.7% $316.7 60.3% 2015 5 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 WB $483.2 $169.2 35.0% $314.0 65.0% 2011 6 Star Wars: The Last Jedi BV $450.8 $220.0 48.8% $230.8 51.2% 2017 7 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice WB $422.5 $166.0 39.3% $256.5 60.7% 2016 8 Furious 7 Uni. $397.7 $147.2 37.0% $250.5 63.0% 2015 9 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince WB $394.0 $158.0 40.1% $236.0 59.9% 2009 10 Marvel's The Avengers BV $392.5 $207.4 52.8% $185.1 47.2% 2012 11 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV $392.5 $191.3 48.7% $201.2 51.3% 2015 12 Transformers: Dark of the Moon P/DW $382.4 $162.6 42.5% $219.8 57.5% 2011 13 Spider-Man 3 Sony $381.7 $151.1 39.6% $230.5 60.4% 2007 14 Captain America: Civil War BV $379.5 $179.1 47.2% $200.4 52.8% 2016 15 Iron Man 3 BV $372.5 $174.1 46.7% $198.4 53.3% 2013 16 Black Panther BV $371.4 $202.0 54.4% $169.4 45.6% 2018 17 Beauty and the Beast (2017) BV $357.0 $174.8 48.9% $182.3 51.1% 2017 18 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides BV $350.6 $90.2 25.7% $260.4 74.3% 2011 19 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End BV $344.0 $128.0 37.2% $216.0 62.8% 2007 20 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2 LG/S $340.6 $141.1 41.4% $199.5 58.6% 2012 It is one of the best ever #7, but you need to go down to #20 to see a movie making less than 880m I think, only 3 others movies on that list didn't reach the billion ( I went just by look /memory could be missing one here), the extremely front loaded and impossible to bring new fan on board at this point twilight part 2/Harry Potter sequel #a lot and an other bad legs disaster Spider Man 3, also quite deep in it's run.

McCarthy has an old fanbase, Life of the party OW was 80% over 25, for an PG-13 comedy movie. That the same than Super Trooper 2 an R rated comedy of a sequel of a movie everyone that seen it back in the days is over 25 now.

Clone wars was that more recent animated movie making 68m WW: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwarsclonewars.htm

I doubt anyone involved in the conversation is in a position to fix any problem........

I imagine if people were developing or thinking about a Indiana Jones reboot and recasting Ford, that could be cancelled....

That was crazy.

The 3,000 long take in the last Transformer is really what he want to explore.

The sub-brand are barely mentioned in a Disney annual year with no breakdown of revenues by subsidiaries being made, I imagine there is so many of them : https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2017-Annual-Report.pdf I imagine that would be just semantic though, Disney being 100% shareholder/owner of Lucas Film, hurting LucasFilm is probably in any scenario the exact equivalent of hurting them, like it would be for Disney Animation or Disney Canada Inc. and the others hundreds of Disney Subsidiary owned by them. When ESPN suffer clients lost, Disney is hurt.

To give a sense of scale if they loose 200m from those 2. Disney Studio entertainment made 8,379m in revenues and 2,355m in operating income last year (while loosing a good amount of money on an animated movie they just cancelled and will not release), that not include licensing revenues/park attendance/etc... they cause. That an insane margin for this business and completely abnormal ROI, you do not have to spend only 6b to make 2b gross income with movies usually, 25-35% are your great win that make up for your failure, not your slate average, in the last few year they average a big success. If they budgeted from them to make 350m that a 550m deficit so quite the money, obviously not nothing but the rare studio that can relatively easy go over it and still not have a good year, have a great year. But the issue is more what it did for that franchise value and all it's planned future profits actualized to today, did it went from a 8.2b valued brand to a 6.9 one ?

Since Harry Potter/Spider Man/Lord of the rings kind of officially kicked the new era of what dominated blockbuster (a mix of book franchise era, Internet/piracy and new capability in CGI mixed participating into that I would imagine), it does really come out of the lot in that list: 2018 $4,898.3 - 534.7 - 291 - $9.16 - Black Panther 2017 $11,071.9 -2.7% 1,234.3 -6.2% 738 - $8.97 - Star Wars: The Last Jedi 2016 $11,377.7 +2.2% 1,315.3 -0.4% 736 - $8.65 - Rogue One 2015 $11,129.4 +7.4% 1,320.2 +4.1% 705 - $8.43 - Star Wars: The Force Awakens 2014 $10,361.3 -5.2% 1,268.2 -5.6% 707 - $8.17 - American Sniper 2013 $10,924.6 +0.8% 1,343.7 -1.3% 688 - $8.13 - Catching Fire 2012 $10,837.6 +6.5% 1,361.5 +6.1% 669 - $7.96 - The Avengers 2011 $10,174.2 -3.7% 1,283.0 -4.2% 602 - $7.93 - Harry Potter / Deathly Hallows (P2) 2010 $10,565.6 -0.3% 1,339.1 -5.2% 537 - $7.89 - Toy Story 3 2009 $10,595.5 +10.0% 1,412.7 +5.3% 521 - $7.50 - Avatar 2008 $9,630.7 -0.3% 1,341.3 -4.5% 607 - $7.18 - The Dark Knight 2007 $9,663.8 +4.9% 1,404.6 -0.1% 631 - $6.88 - Spider-Man 3 2006 $9,209.5 +4.2% 1,406.0 +2.0% 608 - $6.55 - Dead Man's Chest 2005 $8,840.5 -5.8% 1,379.2 -8.7% 547 - $6.41 - Revenge of the Sith 2004 $9,380.5 +1.5% 1,510.5 -1.4% 551 - $6.21 - Shrek 2 2003 $9,239.7 +0.9% 1,532.3 -2.8% 506 - $6.03 $63.8 Return of the King 2002 $9,155.1 +8.8% 1,575.7 +6.0% 480 35,592 $5.81 $58.8 Spider-Man 2001 $8,412.5 +9.8% 1,487.3 +4.7% 482 36,764 $5.66 $47.7 Harry Potter / Sorcerer's Stone Would have been Guardian of the Galaxy or an Hunger Games usually., when Avatar 2 come out if that happen it will be the only the only movie on that list not being a sequel nor having one (and if Grinch remake come out, we will have to come back the 98/99 with Titanic, Private Ryan to have an other example of that). And it could take a long time before we see this again, the Jurassic World/MCU or DC/Star Wars/Avatar could win each year for a while.

Very low competition with nothing major opening after Solo until this (except for Jackass this will be the only studio movie playing with quite old release legs)

Love it: Box-office observers expect Solo to gross north of $60 million for the weeked Solo 3 days weekend FSS was of 70.32m (14.1m previews) A north of 60m, say 61m that would be a true 3 days drop of only 13% 4.0+ multi here we come...... Which observers, most if not all will have it in a 25-42m type of range.

I think someone on this message board gave a cultural explanation about a long tradition of markets based on word of mouth for pretty much everything, that maybe could be found with a search.

Because wer tend to follow Hollywood sequels almost exclusively it make the difference look a bit worst than it is, non sequel like Ready Player One/Rampage/Martian do go around 3.0x/3.5x in China. Dog Purpose went over 5.0, Hacksaw Ridge a bit over 4.0. But yeah it does seem everything is amplified in term of how fast legs can drop (Dunkirk didn't came close to just doubling it's OW for example). I imagine almost every movie goers in China will consider watching a Chinese movie with good word of mouth, but a large portion would not go for an english or dubbed movie like the american audience ? Limiting how high an imported non James Cameron movie can go.

This is getting a bit overboard no, how much do you think the budget of Episode 9 will be $500-600m ?

On Fandango today sales once Jurassic World started: Solo A S 15658 Jurassic 10797 Deadpool 10081 Avengers 3495 Book Clu 2740 Incredib 1275 Life of 973 Adrift ( 940 Breaking 548 A Quiet 492 Show Dog 439 Oceans 8 415

-67% with nothing opening would be terrible for Solo right .... ? hangover 2 did 31.3, -63.5%............ even the X-men one of the most frontloaded franchise out there did better....