Ororo Munroe

Shazam is a cute family movie. As a superhero movie, Aquaman blows it out of the water. 😉

I agree that Aquaman is the best post-Nolan DC movie. That's not saying much but the third act is good enough to launch it into first place. Wonder Woman is overrated but Gadot owns that role (even if her dramatic acting could use some work). Momoa is the most charismatic of the bunch but no, not since RDJ. Hemsworth and Pratt > Momoa.

Joker is a comic book movie (as much as its wants to be more) and that alone means it's not Oscar friendly. It may get some recognition with the HFPA but unlike the other movies you mentioned, it's not "feel good" nor does it have a message that Hollywood loves to applaud, in general. So yeah, it's a movie on the bubble during awards season and without great box office reception, it likely doesn't have a chance at any major awards, outside of JP, perhaps.

Lmao. No. Joker is not an Oscar friendly movie. Without stellar reviews, it was always going to struggle to even get a nomination. It needs to be a big box office hit to have much of a chance now. I have to say, seeing RT give it the certified fresh label after witholding it for so long and then to take it away a day later... comical.

I never said they didn't exist. I just don't believe that there is some broad, concerted agenda to add politics into a movie that invites political criticism.

I wasn't aware that political critique had to be uniform. That American critics would have a different take is hardly suspicious. I know it's more comforting to believe that Joker really is a masterpiece and anyone who says otherwise has some sort of agenda but that doesn't make the idea any less ridiculous.

Here's what I know, political criticism and film criticism are intertwined. Acting like this movie is some special case that calls for suspicion, particularly when it invites political criticism, is absolutely ridiculous.

So it's cool for the movie to add politics or some sort of social commentary but critics "adding politics" to their reviews should be met with suspicion. The discourse around this movie is so predictable yet hilarious all the same.

Maybe not on this forum but it's gotten a good amount buzz on twitter. And though I hate how much Margot and Harley are being shoved at us, I'm not hoping the movie fails. BoP succeeding is more important than something like Joker, especially since the former is connected to the DCEU (or what's left of it).

Just clicked on the Todd Phillips trending topic. Good stuff.

It's truly no wonder why Todd Phillips appeals to someone like you.

So Todd Phillips provides us with another quote that proves he's not very bright or creative. Keep 'em coming, Todd!

You would have been better off posting nothing because this is just corny.

Hey, my ban was supposed to be lifted in late August and here we are almost at the beginning of October and I still can't post in the Joker thread. Not that I even care at this point because I would likely just get banned again. 😂

Who didn't already know this? I'd say even most people who applaud what Disney is doing know that they are doing it because being "woke" sells.

Uh huh. And how does that make Disney different from most other big studios and businesses? They can all do better and more. Using their racist past to suggest that current efforts are lazy just sets off my bs radar.

Don't worry, you won't understand anyway. Here's the thing though, if you want Disney to acknowledge its racist or problematic past, fine...I certainly don't object. But the minute you start suggesting that wanting to be more inclusive or "woke" is somehow wrong or "lazy" the red flag goes up for me. Because guess what? You can think Disney is not doing enough and still acknowledge that what they are doing is good. To try to put a negative spin on portraying more empowering women characters or adding more diversity is pure silliness. There is no doubt in my mind that the people doing this have some other agenda in play, whether they are just Disney haters or dislike the "woke" movement...something else is driving this criticism.

Why would she if she doesn't want anyone to know that is what really bothers her? 😂 I've heard all these talking points before...you aren't interacting with a novice here. I'm not interested in giving Lindsay any views. You enjoy though.

Nope. As a black woman and a feminist, I can tell you that my interactions with white women feminists are exactly as I've described. Sure, some of them are as you say but there are many more who start to get uncomfortable when white women are no longer the center of attention. Is acknowledging their more problematic past supposed to be more profound than making changes that reflect the world we live in today? And what does Lindsay want them to do, exactly? Send out a press release? Will she then be ok with said changes? As I said, this sounds like fake concern to mask what really bothers people like Lindsay. I've seen it enough to know.

Thanks for the summary, now I'm really glad I didn't watch. Lindsay sounds like your typical white woman feminist, many of whom are disingenuous themselves. Disney is a business... of course they are attempting to cash in on the "woke"/ progressive movement. I don't think anyone really thinks they are doing this out of their goodness of their hearts. But to say that wanting to be seen as more progressive is lazy or disingenuous is, in itself, lazy and disingenuous. Lindsay sounds like those people who just don't want to come and say they hate racebending, for example. Lol

Ok. Cool. Still cringe whenever I see stuff like "Woke Disney."

Sounds like it's going to give me a headache. I'll pass.

Uhh, that was not the point. It's about the fact that Joker isn't as unique as you seem to think it is. And yeah, I think we know enough about Joker for people to offer certain criticisms. If we only had thoughts or criticisms of movies after we've watched them, a lot of threads on this forum would be dead as hell.

It matters because the criticism isn't just about whether or not someone will imitate Joker. A lot of the criticism is simply about what this movie is trying to say, its narrative, whether or not it makes Joker sympathetic. In that sense, it's similar to the criticism several movies have gotten recently for trying to make white supremacists sympathetic. (Burden, The Best of Enemies, for example.) Joker happens to involve a famous comic book villian so it's getting a lot more attention.

Well, obviously. It isn't just that the movie is a serious drama or tackles mental illness. It does so while centering one of the most famous homicidal maniacs in pop culture. More than that, we know from the trailers that Phillips' Joker is a loser type who is rejected by society. That in itself is enough reason for people to question this movie in ways they never would a movie like JW (or worse examples like BR or GB).