SaltyPistola

Guardians had the backing of the MCU when it was reaching peak popularity and good will. DC or Superman does not have that. And hasn't for a long time. Have any of Gunn's non MCU films been a success? How did Suicide Squad do? Obviously Gunn is responsible for the critical success of the MCU, but if you removed the marvel branding and marketing I very much doubt it would have had anywhere near the level of commercial success it did.

I think it's pretty bad actually. Guardians had a significantly higher opening, a much more positive reception and much wider appeal. So I don't think that comparison fits. A $180+ million movie with this low of an opening needs better than fine holds to have any hope of being a success.

I think it actually looks pretty cool and I have near absolute faith in Gunn, but it's a bit concerning to me that discourse around this is already mixed this far out. I think this will need at least The Batman numbers to be considered a hit, and it's a pretty stark contrast when you compare the positivity surrounding the suit rollout of that film. This thing really needs all the good word of mouth and hype it can get, because currently I just don't see how it's possible given the box office history of both the character and Gunn (not including MCU). I think it's reasonably easy to right the ship on the hype front, comic book fans are some of the most shallow and easily swayed people out there, but when a whole cinematic universe is resting on the shoulders of this movie I was hoping for a bit of better first impression.

I think this stuff is silly. Not every failure or success has to be systematic of some greater issue in the industry. Audiences simply aren't interested in what they were sold and what the film is. It's that simple. We've seen films of all shapes and sizes succeed this year, we don't need to bend over backwards to make excuses or explanations for this one because it underdelivered. This isn't some original, auteur driven IP that's been done dirty by big bad Hollywood. 12 reasons? I'll give you 1. It's a mediocre product that's having a mediocre performance.

I think Star Wars is the only real winner here. Pretty weak numbers.

We're not doing this. I'm happy for you that the movie you liked as a kid has found it's own crowd of appreciators, but the movie is absolutely bollocks by all known metrics. No one has been gaslit, there is no great lie - most of the people who saw the movie simply thought it was shit. It's that clear cut. I will give Revenge of The Sith the credit it's due, but anyone actually saying that Episodes 1 & 2 are good movies are not serious people. Take the nostalgia goggles off.

Way. They're gonna do what they're doing with Fantastic Four - set it on a seperate world than mash them all together for Secret Wars. New F4 + new Avengers team + new X-men cast

Yeah it's pretty subtle with the MCU logo, dialogue about Fiege and the giant Ant-Man head.

I gotta say I'm continually disappointed in Leitch as a solo director. Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt were great together, but the movie is too bogged down with ugly visuals and a twist that's so immensely obvious it sucks al the energy out of the third act. Sadly I don't think this has the sauce to breakout. Hopefully I'm wrong tho.

I believe that's already the plan. It's meant to start filming next year.

Even if it's the better movie, I think Sonic gets smashed tbh.

- Smaller budget probably - Effects aren't quite done - Director has far less experience working with this much CGI

Oceania? You mean Moana?

The Lin Manuel Miranda potential is huge... makes sense why he isn't on Moana 2 now. If this gets an even remotely good critical reception this is an easy 800mil - to a Bil grosser.

What activists have they hired recently? Or ever hired for that matter? What "franchise experience" is needed for *let me check* The Lion King 0 and Frozen 3? I don't think you have to stress bro I think your Moana lore will be respected.

I guarantee if we didn't know this was gonna be a tv show no one would be saying this lol. It looks identical

I think anyone saying that a Lion King movie releasing in the holiday season will come close to flopping is kidding themselves. Will it reach the heights of the first movie? Absolutely not. But I think this is the 2024 release with the best shot at reaching a Billion. Lion King iconography and name recognition has insane reach. The broadway show and the remake has granted this franchise cross generational relevancy that's basically unmatched. There's like 4 generations of kids that have grown up on this stuff at this point.

Honestly I think Disney is good position for a comeback if they actually make some good shit. They've been slipping for a while but I don't think anyone has been able to properly fill the 4 quadrant all ages AAAA blockbuster hole they've left open. I'd say barbie was at that level but it feels more like an outlier. Elemental and TLM were pretty middling movies that had even more middling box office performances, but they still showed that the audience is there and waiting.

Would love to know what Grace knows about Politics Warfare Or Journalism

Randolph tweets are hilarious. It's a work of fiction not real life what is she waffling on about 😭 Honestly the best marketing this movie has had tbh.

Isn't a C pretty average for a horror

I think Moana 2 is gonna hurt Wicked more than Wicked is gonna hurt Moana 2 tbh. Moana is a juggernaut, and I know for certain like 98% of kids and young families would rather see that than a musical prequel to the Wizard of Oz. Not sure why Disney needs to run anywhere tbh.

I think if they kept the budget low this could be a real winner! So stoked for this. Originally this movie was sold as a Dracula's Daughter remake I believe, so I hope they're just avoiding that connection in the trailer and they haven't ditched it completely. I'd kill for a last act Dracula appearance akin to Vader in Rogue One.

Are the Monday/Tueday drops for GxK good? How far can the total leg out? 100M?

Honestly I thought it looked quite ugly in IMAX, the vfx didn't hold up to that kind of scutiny. I'd go Dolby, it looked much nicer