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Same at Kinepolis Madrid. At the same level than TLK.

OW: 172,379,431 DOM: 564,093,765 OS: 912,385,263 WW: 1,476,479,028

I would ask to not asume that everyone who do not agree with you here is a hardcore DC fanboy. I have not read a DC comic in my whole life. And I like the film, but it is not among my favorites. I just defend the Joker's run because is I think is a really surprising run, not because I am blind.

Well, congrats for predicting it, but here just 2 or 3 people were confident about that: Joker 1 billion club

With that premise, Joker being an universal character (I agree with that) and if people were already sold by the marketing, why Joker has opened DOM lower than, for example, Iron Man in 2008, a way less known character by then, when MCU did not exist, or barely over another villain like Venom last year (way less known too), and not instead with, let's say, 150-170 million? And with a 250m WW opening, which was great, and with normal drops for a CBM, it should have ended with 700-750 million, not over 1.05b.

To be the biggest does not necesarily mean to be the best or the most shocking (I guess you mean Endgame). Of course, and as you well say, this is subjective. IMHO, what was absolutely incredible, out of this world, the event of box office of the decade and what makes Endgame so special was its OW, the absurd hype. That was objectively magical and what made real the chance to beat Avatar. But after OW, my feeling is that the run was "normal" and predictable with quite normal multipliers. But for me (and it is only my opinion), the fact that a R-rated drama can make $1.06-$1.07 billion is more shocking and unexpected than a 22nd film and culmination of the biggest saga can beat Avatar by a hair. But I insist, it is only my opinion.

Endgame was already coming from a $2.05b previous film with an enormous cliffhanger. It is the culmination of a 11 years saga. I will not say it is not impressive. It has beaten the WW record, something that many thought that just Avatar 2 could do. Of course it is impressive. But it was expected that it would be huge. But the result of Joker, being a dark, depressing and R-rated drama, without visual effects, without China, without 3D, not connected with any other film, with low budget and made by a director about who many had many doubts is absolutely unexpected. We can debate about how much all of us thought it would do before the release, but many were thinking about 500-600 million, not doubling it and becoming a bigger grosser than any Batman film or any DC film excluding China. Even becoming the biggest SH film ever in many countries over Endgame. I will not say it is the run of the decade. Both Skyfall and BR can say something. But Joker can compete with both of them. James Bond or Freddie Mercury/Queen are as well known as Joker, or maybe more better known characters. And I think Joker can compete with Endgame about being the run of the year for sure.

I expected more for Madre I would like to see numbers for The Irishman, but I think we will never know it.

That is about 35-40% drop for Joker. Not amazing, but good holds are back. Very good opening for "Si yo fuera rico". Telecinco's promo has done it again.

Exchange rates and Japan are the main problem to repeat what first part did, because, for example, my bet is that it will double in euros what first part did in Spain. But that result would "only" mean a 59% increase in dollars.

I guess you mean films which were not released in China, because there are a lot more films that have done 1 billion if you do not take into account what they did in China.

Spain Presales for OW in the biggest theater of the country are on par to TLK at the same point. For the record, TLK opened to €8m ($8.8m) 4-day opening.

Joker needs 422k admissions to reach 5 million admissions. It did €1.19m during its last weekend. Let's see some other recent SH films: Aquaman sold 455k admissions after a €1m weekend. Black Panther sold 547k admissions after a €1.3m weekend. Captain Marvel sold 554k admissions after a €1.17m weekend. 5 million are nearly locked. To beat both Superman (5.267 million) and Spider-man (5.249) seems harder, but not impossible if it recovers the good holds. It is going to be really close.

I guess you mean in gross, don't you? In terms of admissions, it is still far from beating both Superman and Spider-man, with 5.2 million admissions sold each.

Joker in all time unadjusted list: ... 7. The Force Awakens: €33,274,236 8. The Return of the King: €32,935,490 9. The Fellowship of the Ring: €31,339,713 10. The Two Towers: €29,800,443 11. Endgame: €29,183,387 12. Pirates of the Caribbean 2: €28,272,305 13. Shrek 2: €28,207,541 14. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone: €27,693,789 15. Bohemian Rhapsody: €27,600,041 16. The Others: €27,254,163 17. The Da Vinci Code: €26,782,492 18. Joker: 26,703,687 ... It should reach #10, ejecting TTT from top 10 after 17 years. And then, we will see if it is able to match FOTR. TFA and ROTK seem out of reach for the moment.

12 days to go: The Lion King: 799 tickets Frozen 2: 964 F2 is already outpacing TLK presales. I think it will explode here relative to the first movie. Frozen did €16.62m, what meant $22.49m. I sincerely do not see this making less than €25m ($27.5m with today ER). If I have to bet, I would say something close to €30m ($33m), but I would not rule out even more.

Joker after a €1.1m weekend (6th weekend) is at €26.5m Endgame after a €900k weekend (4th weekend) was at €26.7m Endgame did €2.54m after this, finishing with €29.2m. Applying the same legs, Joker would do €3.1m more from now, finishing with €29.6m. But, will it have the same late legs? I doubt it (it will do better).

Are you sure of that? It has done $48m during last 7 days coming from a bloated week. Dropping a 50% weekly from now it would end with 1.032b. Dropping a 40% from now, it would end with 1.056b. And sincerely, I do not see any sign to think it will start to drop like a rock from now. I can not see how it misses $1.05b.

Spain First of all, we have General Elections today what could have maybe cut numbers a bit. Deep drop after last extremely bloated week (€4.4m week). $29.5m means about €26.58m, so a €1.67m 7-day gross, and weekend should be about €1m or €1.1m. It ranks right now #18 all time, outgrossing Aladdin as the 3rd biggest film of the year. Normal target is right now €30m (#10 all time).

So maybe 340 DOM / 725 OS / 1.065b WW (I do not take into account a possible awards boost).

Oh I see. Anyway, until I do not see the film I will not trust that. Not for you, but for Disney. I am still quite skeptical about this.

Is it confirmed that it will be R-rated?

There are not numbers, but Joker is heading to win its 6th weekend in Spain

The Lion King opened to $8m 4-day OW and it is the 5th biggest film ever. I guess it is a good sign

Spain - Presales at Kinepolis Madrid (biggest theater of the country) 15 days to go: The Lion King: 635 tickets (4 day-OW) - 29 showtimes Frozen 2: 558 (3 day-OW) - 32 showtimes * TLK is the most similar to an animated film which I have ever tracked.