CelestialFairyIX Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Considering the bias, TDK had no shot at BP. It should have been nominated however. Sorry to bother you but... what does the abbreviation, "BP" stand for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Not for the forseeable future. It's still a struggle just to get one nominated. It would take some sort of revolutionary development in the industry that would get the Oscars to take it seriously; probably something along the lines of a dramatic PG-13 or R-rated film that gets Boyhood-level reviews. I'm not counting on it being Sausage Party, despite Megan Ellison's blessings. Edited January 18, 2015 by tribefan695 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelestialFairyIX Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Not for the forseeable future. It's still a struggle just to get one nominated. It would take some sort of revolutionary development in the industry that would get the Oscars to take it seriously; probably something along the lines of a dramatic PG-13 or R-rated film that gets Boyhood-level reviews. I'm not counting on it being Sausage Party, despite Megan Ellison's blessings. The title alone makes me queasy but we'll have to wait and see till it comes out so we can dissect the movie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It's written by Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. That's about all you need to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelestialFairyIX Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 I see... their cinematic history seems to be abundant with high critical consensus... My hopes for this movie have risen, thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorschach Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It all depends on the year. More live action films are made than animated films, with only about ten or so each year (guessed average) released into theaters widely, so the animated film would probably have to be a big game changer or something truly Amzing that not only effects it's main medium but others as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It has to be a culmination of many factors. A ground breaking piece of work in a year with not so impressive live action movies (2011 comes to mind). I have a feeling though that once the Academy is filled with a majority of members born during or after 1982-1985 (who would have still been children when the Disney Renaissance and the rise of Studios Ghibli and Pixar occurred), is when animated films will finally get the proper respect that they deserve. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Until attitudes like these stop being prevalent, I can't see it happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Until attitudes like these stop being prevalent, I can't see it happening. That has nothing to do with the nominating process though. Those are some remarks from the 6,000 plus membership and have an impact on the eventual winner. Nominations are done by volunteers from the Animation branch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) That has nothing to do with the nominating process though. Those are some remarks from the 6,000 plus membership and have an impact on the eventual winner. Nominations are done by volunteers from the Animation branch. The thread question was about winning Best Picture, which I said won't happen if large sections of the voter group are that dismissive towards the medium. Edited January 18, 2015 by C00k13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Needs to be a perfect storm of stuff like: -The animated feature category would just have to be removed -It would need to be technically innovative in some way that doesn't seem easily repeatable. Like Boyhood is the frontrunner because of the 12 years thing. whatever the animated version of boyhood is. -probably needs some real life political allegory to prestige it up a bit. -it probably needs to become literally the highest grossing movie of all time. -critics wins. can't just blame the academy when these guys won't go to bat for these movies either. Doesn't work all the time but critics wins can legitimize contenders early on (don't think hurt locker would've won best picture without the 101 critics wins it got. brought the buzz back in a strong way) -And yes, like Spidey said, it needs weak-ass competition. -need a great campaigner who'll help voters to take the movie seriously. disney have a reputation for weak campaigning, so if one wins it won't be one of their movies. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Needs to be a perfect storm of stuff like: -The animated feature category would just have to be removed -It would need to be technically innovative in some way that doesn't seem easily repeatable. Like Boyhood is the frontrunner because of the 12 years thing. whatever the animated version of boyhood is. -probably needs some real life political allegory to prestige it up a bit. -it probably needs to become literally the highest grossing movie of all time. -critics wins. can't just blame the academy when these guys won't go to bat for these movies either. Doesn't work all the time but critics wins can legitimize contenders early on (don't think hurt locker would've won best picture without the 101 critics wins it got. brought the buzz back in a strong way) -And yes, like Spidey said, it needs weak-ass competition. -need a great campaigner who'll help voters to take the movie seriously. disney have a reputation for weak campaigning, so if one wins it won't be one of their movies. ^this Even thought there's been plenty of years where an animated film should have won: 1937: Snow White (Life of Emilie Zota?... it's no contest. Snow White was the best of 1937) 1940 arguably: Fantasia or Pinocchio (BP could have gone to Grapes, Fantasia, Great Dictator or Pinocchio - 2 of which are mainly animated) 1964 arguably: Mary Poppins (probably the best chance animation ever had at a BP win... Dr. Strangelove wasn't nominated, and Walt was due for a lifetime achievement award for BP) 1988: Grave of the Fireflies or Roger Rabbit (Grave of the Fireflies is just as emotionally devasting as any Oscar-bait film that's live-action. Roger Rabbit was a technical masterpiece backed up by a stellar sendup of classic film noir and 1940s cartoons) 1991 arguably: Beauty & the Beast (B&TB is worthy of BP, but Lambs, JFK, Boyz and T2 were also deserving of BP. Happy with any of those) 1992: Aladdin (Aladdin is easily the most relevant and remembered film from 1992... Unforgiven was just the Academy giving Clint a lifetime achievement award) 1994 arguably: The Lion King (Gump, Shawshank and Pulp were also pretty great... I'm good with any of the four as BP) 1995: Toy Story (in terms of innovation and timelessness, nothing approaches Toy Story from 1995) 2002: Spirited Away (easily Ghibli's crowning achievement. Better than Two Towers or Chicago easily) 2008 arguably: WALL-E (TDK is my favorite from that year, but I'd take WALL-E over what did win) 2009 arguably: Up (Basterds and Hurt Locker probably deserved BP more, but this winning wouldn't upset me) 2010: Toy Story 3 (other than Social Network, I really don't see how this didn't win BP. King's Speech was just a competently-told story. Inception was a visual marvel, but a bit convoluted in story. Black Swan and Fighter were typical Oscar bait. True Grit was a decent Western. Winter's Bone was far too low-key to win BP. If anyone other than Disney was in charge of the BP campaign, TS3 would have won IMO) 2014 arguably: The LEGO Movie (should have been nominated. It's easily the most original and innovative film of 2014. It had the critical raves and BO success. It deserved the 9th or 10th BP slot at least) There's been times where animation DESERVED a BP win... just didn't happen. In fact, most of the Oscar's history involves the wrong film winning BP. 1927: Metropolis 1928: Steamboat Bill, Jr. 1929: The Broadway Melody of 1929 1930: All Quiet on the Western Front 1931: City Lights 1932: Scarface 1933: King Kong 1934: It Happened One Night 1935: Top Hat 1936: Modern Times 1937: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1938: Bringing Up Baby 1939: Gone With the Wind 1940: The Grapes of Wrath 1941: Citizen Kane 1942: Yankee Doodle Dandy 1943: Casablanca 1944: Double Indemnity 1945: The Lost Weekend 1946: It's a Wonderful Life 1947: Miracle on 34th Street 1948: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre 1949: The Bicycle Thief 1950: All About Eve 1951: A Streetcar Named Desire 1952: Singin' in the Rain 1953: Roman Holiday 1954: Seven Samurai 1955: Rebel Without a Cause 1956: The Ten Commandments 1957: The Bridge on the River Kwai 1958: Vertigo 1959: The 400 Blows 1960: Breathless 1961: Breakfast at Tiffany's 1962: Lawrence of Arabia 1963: 8 1/2 1964: Mary Poppins 1965: The Sound of Music 1966: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly 1967: Bonnie and Clyde 1968: Rosemary's Baby 1969: Midnight Cowboy 1970: Patton 1971: A Clockwork Orange 1972: The Godfather 1973: The Exorcist 1974: The Godfather Part II 1975: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 1976: Network 1977: Star Wars - Episode IV: A New Hope 1978: The Deer Hunter 1979: Apocalypse Now 1980: The Shining 1981: Raiders of the Lost Ark 1982: E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 1983: Terms of Endearment 1984: The Natural 1985: Back to the Future 1986: Aliens 1987: The Princess Bride 1988: Grave of the Fireflies 1989: Do the Right Thing 1990: Goodfellas 1991: JFK 1992: Aladdin 1993: Schindler's List 1994: Forrest Gump 1995: Toy Story 1996: Fargo 1997: Boogie Nights 1998: Saving Private Ryan 1999: Fight Club 2000: Requiem of a Dream 2001: Mulholland Drive 2002: Spirited Away 2003: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2004: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 2005: Brokeback Mountain 2006: United 93 2007: No Country for Old Men 2008: The Dark Knight 2009: Inglorious Basterds 2010: Toy Story 3 2011: Midnight in Paris 2012: Zero Dark Thirty 2013: Gravity 2014: Boyhood (most likely... Birdman, Sniper or Imitation could win though) 19 out of 88 potential ceremonies (18 if Boyhood loses)... that's not even 25% accuracy. If anything, winning BP hurts a film's timelessness since it causes a lot of backlash most times. 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AniNate Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I'd like to know how you're defining that "accuracy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahnamahna Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I'd like to know how you're defining that "accuracy" Timelessness, overall quality and relevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Timelessness, overall quality and relevance. So nothing quantitative. I fail to see the point of trying to base a voting body's "accuracy" on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Timelessness, overall quality and relevance. Tbf the former can't actually be determined in less than a year. Edited January 18, 2015 by C00k13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Timelessness, overall quality and relevance. If you are going by that, Empire Strikes Back should win for 1980 over The Shinning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) That has nothing to do with the nominating process though. Those are some remarks from the 6,000 plus membership and have an impact on the eventual winner. Nominations are done by volunteers from the Animation branch. Sorry, this discussions is going on in so many topics I forgot where I was. Edited January 18, 2015 by TalismanRing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 If you are going by that, Empire Strikes Back should win for 1980 over The Shinning. The Shining shouldn't even be in the conversation. but ESTB deserved nom. But the film that won is more deserving - Ordinary People and so were at least two of the other nominees - Raging Bull and The Elephant Man. Film like all art is of course subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAtGender Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 2010: Toy Story 3 (other than Social Network, I really don't see how this didn't win BP. King's Speech was just a competently-told story. Inception was a visual marvel, but a bit convoluted in story. Black Swan and Fighter were typical Oscar bait. True Grit was a decent Western. Winter's Bone was far too low-key to win BP. If anyone other than Disney was in charge of the BP campaign, TS3 would have won IMO) 2014 arguably: The LEGO Movie (should have been nominated. It's easily the most original and innovative film of 2014. It had the critical raves and BO success. It deserved the 9th or 10th BP slot at least) Toy Story 3 wasn't even the best ANIMATED film in 2010, so it was hardly deserving of BP. And WTF? The LEGO movie doesn't deserve to even be in the conversation of BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...