Wally Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Some economists expect an economic growth reaching 0.9% this year,it's well below its potential (5%).And it's much less than the growth expected in the USA ( 2.2%) and barely better than France (0.7%),for an emerging country it's very bad,only Russia is worse. Yeah, it's quite bad and you could blame Dilma's poor choices in her 4 years for that. With Lula, our growth were always at least by 3% even in the begining of his government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 He represents a party called PSDB. They are knows for rulling for the richest in our country and were partly responsibles for the huge gap between rich and poor people in Brazil. In his 8 years rulling Minas Gerais as the governor, our health and education went to all time lows. Teachers are underpaid and the schools are trashed. Our hospitals don't have doctors enough, because, well, we don't graduate doctors without good high school students.I see.However he seems different from Dilma,some diversity is good,if every contender was leftist or socialist that wouldn't be a real democracy anymore. ^^" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yeah, it's quite bad and you could blame Dilma's poor choices in her 4 years for that. With Lula, our growth were always at least by 3% even in the begining of his government.It could be worse,look at Venezuela 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 It could be worse,look at Venezuela It could also be better. Look at Chile and Mexico. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 It could also be better. Look at Chile and Mexico.Ahaha that's for sure ^^" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alisson23 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I still don't believe, Eduardo is the ex-governor of my state this is so sad Edited August 13, 2014 by MazeRunner23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I see.However he seems different from Dilma,some diversity is good,if every contender was leftist or socialist that wouldn't be a real democracy anymore. ^^" We have diversity, but they just don't have voters. Most brazilians lean more to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 We have diversity, but they just don't have voters. Most brazilians lean more to the left. Nothing is set in stone ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Nothing is set in stone ^^ You don't understand. There are candidates that are from the right, they just don't have supporters. That are 10 or 11 candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 You don't understand. There are candidates that are from the right, they just don't have supporters. That are 10 or 11 candidates. I just mean that won't last forever, like many countries saw it over the time. But yeah Brazil is pretty leftist right now, I'm even surprised gay mariage is not legal there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) You don't understand. There are candidates that are from the right, they just don't have supporters. That are 10 or 11 candidates. I don't think he means in this election, just that in the future things can change. For example, here in Israel the big left wing party won every election for 30 years, but the they lost, and now the two biggest parties are both economically right wing. Edited August 13, 2014 by Tower 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't think he means in this election, just that in the future things can change. For example, here in Israel the big left wing party won every election for 30 years, but the they lost, and now the two biggest parties are both economically right wing. You perfectly understood what I meant. People change, new generations rise and circumstances change. So Brazil could be leftist right now, but we can't know if it will be the case in 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I just mean that won't last forever, like many countries saw it over the time. But yeah Brazil is pretty leftist right now, I'm even surprised gay mariage is not legal there. Gay marriage is legal. Who said it wasn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 You perfectly understood what I meant. People change, new generations rise and circumstances change. So Brazil could be leftist right now, but we can't know if it will be the case in 15 years. The thing is, young people are also leftist. I'm 21 years old and I am, and so are all my friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 The thing is, young people are also leftist. I'm 21 years old and I am, and so are all my friends. During the Vietnam war in the US most of young people were leftist, and 20 years later they elected Ronald Reagan. As I said, you're young but nothing is set in stone.That doesn't mean everyone will change, but most of people change over the time. Brazil is still a young democracy so it's a concept you can't understand yet, but in the old democracies it's something we know very well.It's the same thing for right-wing societies, they're not eternally that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Gay marriage is legal. Who said it wasn't? Oh, it's legal since 2013, I missed that one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 During the Vietnam war in the US most of young people were leftist, and 20 years later they elected Ronald Reagan. As I said, you're young but nothing is set in stone.That doesn't mean everyone will change, but most of people change over the time. Brazil is still a young democracy so it's a concept you can't understand yet, but in the old democracies it's something we know very well.It's the same thing for right-wing societies, they're not eternally that way. That is a statement, that can be misunderstood IMHO Another theme... did you managed to see GotG today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 During the Vietnam war in the US most of young people were leftist, and 20 years later they elected Ronald Reagan. As I said, you're young but nothing is set in stone.That doesn't mean everyone will change, but most of people change over the time. Brazil is still a young democracy so it's a concept you can't understand yet, but in the old democracies it's something we know very well.It's the same thing for right-wing societies, they're not eternally that way. I don't think that this is generally true, while there could be extreme outlier elections, generations generally keep their affiliation over the years. I have seen studies on this in America and it definitely fits in with what went on in Israel, where old people from the time the left was dominant still vote for the left, but as the generations get younger it reverses itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 That is a statement, that can be misunderstood IMHO Another theme... did you managed to see GotG today? Yep I waatched it and loved it, I will post my personal review later this day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 I don't think that this is generally true, while there could be extreme outlier elections, generations generally keep their affiliation over the years. I have seen studies on this in America and it definitely fits in with what went on in Israel, where old people from the time the left was dominant still vote for the left, but as the generations get younger it reverses itself. Time changes people, I have a hard time to beleieve most of people don't review their own political, particularly when one of their favorite politicians fail. I was myself a center-left guy when I was a teen, and as a young adult I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal so I got a bit more to the right (economically)..If I can change in 10 years how can people not change in 40 or 50 years? Not easy to believe that, and the same party would win forever in every democracy for decades if it was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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