Parasite Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 64 923 admissions OD (including 15 000 in previews) for Fabelmans. Much higher than WSS (20k) and similar to The Post (44k). WOM is very positive with a 4.3/5 audience score on Allociné. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 BOX-OFFICE prévisionnel (du 22 au 28 février 2023) Rang Titre Entrées Variation hebdo Cumul (Millions) Budget Nbre de salles 1 Alibi.com 2 805 000 - 20 % 2,911 18,4 M€ 680 2 Astérix et Obélix : L'empire du milieu 455 000 - 40 % 4,104 64,1 M€ 887 3 Ant-man et la guêpe : Quantumania 440 000 - 40 % 1,175 200 M$ 625 4 The Fabelmans 330 000 New 0,330 40 M$ 502 5 Les choses simples 220 000 New 0,220 5,1 M€ 446 6 Sacrées momies 170 000 - 15 % 0,542 - M€ 569 7 Un homme heureux 165 000 - 30 % 0,398 10 M€ 491 8 Avatar : La voie de l'eau 150 000 - 35 % 13,745 350 M$ 648 9 Pattie et la colère de Poséidon 130 000 - 10 % 0,688 8,9 M€ 753 10 Titanic 75 000 - 50 % 0,457 200 M$ 252 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/21/2023 at 6:22 AM, Shanks said: TITANIC (1st run) - 20,634,793 TITANIC (3D) - 1,139,388 Titanic (2020) - 20,878 TITANIC (25th year Anniversary) - 352,776 Avatar (1st Run) - 14,677,888 (6.2m in 2009 & 8.4m in 2010) Avatar (SE) - 98,102 Avatar (2020) - 6,126 Avatar (2022) - 564,979 Those 1st run numbers are absolute and have been printed in books, they were in circulation for multiple years, so they can't be wrong. if you search either JP or InsideKino you will get those numbers only. Just check insideKino 4-5 years back~ Problem with both those movies is that they are randomly released multiple times in special screenings and what not. Nobody can keep record if they keep doing it every few years. Also, Sometimes, they round off something like - 20.7 + 1.14 + 0.35~ so total comes out way more than it is. Sorry to come back with that but in fact I found several reliable sources like Allociné or Ecranlarge which announced in 2008 and on the occasion of the success of welcome to the ch'tis (so before its re-release in 2012) a total of 20,758,841 admissions for its first run. If we add its release in 2012, its small release in 2020 during the covid and its release this year, this gives us a total of : 20,758,841 + 1,139,388 + 20,878 + 388,909 = 22,308,016 admits. Which means that the figure of 20,634,793 admissions was wrong or incomplete. In fact I think that figure is only for the 1998 annual report and that it still had about 124,048 entries during the end of 1998 or the year 1999. Sources : https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/news/909606-les-ch-tis-ne-battront-pas-titanic https://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18428786.html https://www.telestar.fr/culture/titanic-quelle-fin-alternative-etait-initialement-prevue-553422 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, LPLC said: If we add its release in 2012, its small release in 2020 during the covid and its release this year, this gives us a total of : 20,758,841 + 1,139,388 + 20,878 + 388,909 = 22,308,016 admits. Why would you mix together two different Data sets? One Data set is from Authority called Fédération Nationale des Cinémas Français and 2nd Data set - which you just cited is from Distributors. You can't take highest Data points from different data sets and inflate the Admissions. Let me give you 3 Data sets by different Authorities and maybe you will understand: CNC Dataset: (Centre national du cinéma et de l'image animée) 1998/1999 : 20,614,443 (95%) 2000-2009 : 4,577 2010-2018 : 1,145,204 (rep. 3D en 2012, Reprise 3D en 2012 : 1,138,207) TOTAL: 21,798,906 2nd Dataset: Used by JP & others 1998-99: 20,634,793 2012, 3D: 1,139,388 3rd Dataset: Distributor 1st Run - 20,758,841 2012, 3D Run - 1,132,734 2020 - NA Now, Reason I go with 20,634,793 is because that's source - which is used by you & others to provide data every week for different films. That's also source used by JP & widely accepted by most sites. Oh, You gave me example of ALLOCINE - Checkout Allocines's top 50 movie: To not create discrepancies, we should simply use 2nd one. Because You can't take distributor figure of one film and then compare it to other movies figure which were given by different box-office Authority. Ofcourse, if someday you can get Distributor figure for all the films, then you can use that Titanic number. Edited February 26, 2023 by Shanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Shanks said: Why would you mix together two different Data sets? One Data set is from Authority called Fédération Nationale des Cinémas Français and 2nd Data set - which you just cited is from Distributors. You can't take highest Data points from different data sets and inflate the Admissions. Let me give you 3 Data sets by different Authorities and maybe you will understand: CNC Dataset: (Centre national du cinéma et de l'image animée) 1998/1999 : 20,614,443 (95%) 2000-2009 : 4,577 2010-2018 : 1,145,204 (rep. 3D en 2012, Reprise 3D en 2012 : 1,138,207) TOTAL: 21,798,906 2nd Dataset: Used by JP & others 1998-99: 20,634,793 2012, 3D: 1,139,388 3rd Dataset: Distributor 1st Run - 20,758,841 2012, 3D Run - 1,132,734 2020 - NA Now, Reason I go with 20,634,793 is because that's source - which is used by you & others to provide data every week for different films. That's also source used by JP & widely accepted by most sites. Oh, You gave me example of ALLOCINE - Checkout Allocines's top 50 movie: To not create discrepancies, we should simply use 2nd one. Because You can't take distributor figure of one film and then compare it to other movies figure which were given by different box-office Authority. Ofcourse, if someday you can get Distributor figure for all the films, then you can use that Titanic number. Sorry I just found an interesting source and wanted to share it with you. But suddenly I don't understand where this figure of 20,758,841 comes from ? They made up 124k admits you tell me the real one is 20,634,793. I don't see the point of doing that. In any case, the figures for the release in 2012, 2020 and 2023 are the same on all sites and can be checked easily because it is more recent, so there is no doubt about these figures, useless to speak about that. Now it remains to be seen which between 20.634M and 20.758M is real and I assumed that the higher number is more likely to be true because I don't understand why they would invent a random number like that and also because that the highest figure is surely the most complete. Conclusion : I think as you said we should take the distributor's figure, i.e. the most complete figure for its 1st release, concerning the other releases as I said it is much more recent so it is easy to have a precise follow-up of these figures which is almost similar everywhere. That's why I added 20,758,841 + 1,139,388 + 20,878 + 388,909, which gave me 22,308,062 admits. I will also contact Jp's Box Office so that they update their site with the most recent and complete figure possible for Titanic as Inside Kino and Cine-directors did, look at this : 21,898,275 admits for Titanic until 8/18/2019 from inside kino (before its release in 2020 and 2023) : https://www.insidekino.de/BO/Titanic.htm / https://www.insidekino.de/BO/F2020.htm and 22,251,005 admits until last Sunday : https://www.insidekino.de/BO/F2023.htm 22,287M admits until last Wednesday from cine-directors : http://www.cine-directors.net/box38.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) InsideKino & JP use CBO-Boxoffice as source, generally. so, Most people have those numbers. FRANCE top 10~ CNC CBO-Box Office Titanic (1st Run) 20 614 443 20 634 793 Bienvenue chez les Ch'tis 20 444 918 20 413 165 Intouchables 19 509 835 19 385 300 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) 18 353 225 18 319 651 La Grande Vadrouille (1966) 17 330 139 17 273 065 Gone with the Wind (1939) 16 728 081 16 723 795 Avatar 15 423 801 15 329 095 C'era una volta il West 14 891 828 14 873 304 The Jungle Book 14 798 057 14 696 567 101 Dalmatians 14 697 525 14 660 594 Astérix & Obélix - Mission Cléopâtre (2002) 14 408 347 14 314 786 1 hour ago, LPLC said: Now it remains to be seen which between 20.634M and 20.758M is real 1 hour ago, LPLC said: But suddenly I don't understand where this figure of 20,758,841 comes from ? They made up 124k admits 20,758,841 was only released by Studio few years down the line when the French local Bienvenue chez les Ch'tis came too close to it's own Admissions. We have no idea how many releases it included. Some say it's 1st run but that's not what PATHE film had said when it released Ch'tis's data of along with figure of titanic. So, Both numbers are real. Anyway, CBO/CNC are close to each other with less than 0.1% error of margin in almost 1000s of movies. 1 hour ago, LPLC said: Conclusion : I think as you said we should take the distributor's figure, i.e. the most complete figure for its 1st release, 1st, Distributor's numbers are very hard to find - we know very few of 'em. Also, Distributor's numbers are tricky, we have no idea which territories they have included. By territories I mean there are almost 20+ Old Colony Islands that sometimes get included in the total of France & sometimes don't. So, Which numbers to take? CBO's or CNCs' because you want numbers to compare to other releases, so you need consistent coverage area. Also, CBO is the one - whose numbers we get every weekend. So, atleast here, CBO's numbers should be taken. Edited February 26, 2023 by Shanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, Shanks said: 1st, Distributor's numbers are very hard to find - we know very few of 'em. Also, Distributor's numbers are tricky, we have no idea which territories they have included. By territories I mean there are almost 20+ Old Colony Islands that sometimes get included in the total of France & sometimes don't. So, Which numbers to take? CBO's or CNCs' because you want numbers to compare to other releases, so you need consistent coverage area. Also, CBO is the one - whose numbers we get every weekend. So, atleast here, CBO's numbers should be taken. Yes you are right, for the comparisons, it would seem that it would be more judicious to take the figures of CBO. However, I just wanted the figure closest to reality and the truth for Titanic so even if the figures for the French overseas islands are included, it's good that we have the most complete figure possible. However, it seems to me that Cine-directors has the distributor figures and therefore the most complete figures because in its all-time ranking, there are several films where the total number of admits is higher than that of CBO, in particular those of Titanic, Intouchables or even Avatar and many others if you really look in depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) Seems like 5% drop this WE for A2, total after SUN should be 13,75M admits after a weekend around 150k Edited February 26, 2023 by LPLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Jane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 will Avatar have chance enter top10 all time admits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Sophia Jane said: will Avatar have chance enter top10 all time admits? No impossible, at best 12th place because holidays end next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 13.741.981 | Avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 27 minutes ago, Issac Newton said: 13.741.981 | Avatar 146k WE - 16% drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 BOX-OFFICE France (du 22 au 28 février 2023) (Prévisions) Rang TITRE Entrées Variation hebdo Cumul (Millions) Budget Nbre de copies Moy / Copie 1 Alibi.com 2 825 000 - 18 % 2,931 18,4 M€ 680 1 213 2 Astérix et Obélix : L'empire du milieu 525 000 - 31 % 4,174 64,1 M€ 932 563 3 Ant-man et la guêpe : Quantumania 440 000 - 40 % 1,175 200 M$ 625 704 4 The Fabelmans 370 000 New 0,370 40 M$ 502 737 5 Sacrées momies 225 000 + 11 % 0,597 11 M€ 743 303 6 Les choses simples 220 000 New 0,220 5,1 M€ 446 493 7 Avatar : La voie de l'eau 180 000 - 21 % 13,775 350 M$ 434 415 8 Pattie et la colère de Poséidon 140 000 - 2 % 0,698 8,9 M€ 843 166 9 Un homme heureux 135 000 - 30 % 0,368 10 M€ 495 273 10 Titanic 95 000 - 35 % 0,477 200 M$ 385 247 Nice hold for Alibi.com 2 and Avatar 2. Ok drop for Asterix, AM3 and Titanic. Great opening for The Fabelmans. - Alibi.com 2 should finish its run around 4M-4,5M admits, great result. - Asterix should finish its run around 5M admits, not bad after all. - AM3 should finish its run around 2M admits, a bit above AM1 and AM2 - The Fabelmans could surpass 1M by the end of its run, great success for Spielberg in France. - A2 will finish its run above 14M admits, maybe 14,1M final run here - Titanic could finally finish its re-release above avatar's re-release of last year, maybe 600k full run. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Anyone present? :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parasite Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Issac Newton said: Anyone present? :)) I managed to get tickets to the other showing. Not a fan of the film though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 13.780.948 | Avatar ~29K Weekdays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Issac Newton said: 13.780.948 | Avatar ~29K Weekdays 39* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 R Film Distributeur Entrées Séances Moy Cumul S 1 ALIBI.COM 2 STUDIOCANAL 798 133 16 373 49 2 904 437 3 2 ASTÉRIX ET OBÉLIX : L’EMPIRE DU MILIEU PATHÉ 514 149 15 346 34 4 163 010 4 3 ANT-MAN ET LA GUÊPE : QUANTUMANIA DISNEY 437 550 18 897 23 1 184 539 2 4 THE FABELMANS UNIVERSAL 343 289 10 639 32 367 332 1 5 SACRÉES MOMIES WARNER 216 969 6 995 31 589 056 3 6 LES CHOSES SIMPLES SND 212 288 10 314 21 222 130 1 7 AVATAR : LA VOIE DE L’EAU DISNEY 185 742 4 435 42 13 780 948 11 8 PATTIE ET LA COLÈRE DE POSÉIDON APOLLO 137 722 4 766 29 695 933 5 9 UN HOMME HEUREUX GAUMONT 135 617 9 304 15 368 625 2 10 TITANIC (RESSORTIE 2023) DISNEY 88 834 2 771 32 477 743 3 11 LE CHAT POTTÉ 2 : LA DERNIÈRE QUÊTE UNIVERSAL 76 309 2 657 29 2 916 246 12 12 BABYLON PARAMOUNT 67 768 2 313 29 1 438 576 6 13 À LA BELLE ÉTOILE BAC 62 634 5 471 11 67 974 1 14 MAURICE LE CHAT FABULEUX KMBO 54 103 2 163 25 258 418 4 15 MISSING SONY 52 975 4 075 13 53 919 1 16 LA FEMME DE TCHAÏKOVSKI BAC 42 143 2 065 20 121 606 2 17 ARRÊTE AVEC TES MENSONGES KMBO 41 965 2 750 15 48 547 1 18 ZODI ET TÉHU, FRÈRES DU DÉSERT SND 36 982 2 475 15 183 700 3 19 JUSTE CIEL ! LE PACTE 35 868 2 953 12 97 325 2 20 LES GARDIENNES DE LA PLANÈTE PAN 30 506 2 479 12 32 892 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2.122 | 19 sites | Creed III | Paris 14 h 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoimo19 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Issac Newton said: 2.122 | 19 sites | Creed III | Paris 14 h Better than Ant-Man two weeks ago and was also first yesterday with previews only Set for a great opening WE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...