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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Boxx93

Venezuela Box Office Thread | (Cars 3 opens strong Nº1; Wonder Woman and Mummy holds strong; healthy drop from Pirates 5)

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TF3 did pretty badly... so how much will TF4 do? 5M?

 That is because in 2011 Paramount was having trouble getting the revenues from the country so they decided to stop showing their movies in Venezuela witch affected the release of Transformers 3, Captain America and Cowboys and Aliens. The problem was not resolved until October of the same year that Transformers 3 finally came out, then Cowboy came in December and Captain America 1 in January 2012. But it was already too late because there was no confirmation at the time from any reliable source that Paramount was gonna show their movies here ever again, so people just started pirating the movies or just wait for the official pirated Blu Ray and watch it at home and that affected the final gross Transformers 3, Cowboys and Cap 1.

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TF3 did pretty badly... so how much will TF4 do? 5M?

Yeah its looking at doing 4-5m

 

I wanna see thr OW records!

 

since 2009

OWe top 5 LC

1-Malef 12.7m

2-DOFP 11.6m

3-Rio2 11.2m

4-HTTYD2 10.2m

5-T: BDpt2  9.9m

 

OWe top 5 $us

1-T: DBpt2

2-IA4

3-Malef

4-HP DH pt2

5-DOFP

 

Owe top 5 Admissions

1-HP:DHpt2 256k

2-T: DB pt2 231k

3-IA4 229k

4-IA3 199k

5-HP DH pt1 195k

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Today is Liberator´s Day so I expect some good weekday numbers all around  B)

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Movies coming up this weekend:

 

Planes: Fire and Rescue

 

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The first Planes opened in first place last year with $641,367 for a total of $4,758,012. With the Summer vacations going on I can see an opening of $850k and a $5,6m total

 

Libertador (Local Movie):

 

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A very highly anticipated movie about our national hero Simon Bolivar who liberated Venezuela and four other South American nations (Colombia, Bolivia, Peru and Ecuador) played by the venezuelan actor Edgar Ramirez as the titular character. The cast includes Danny Huston, Gary Lewis, Iwan Rheon (Yes, the Iwan Rhoen who plays Ramsey Snow in Game Of Thrones  :excited:) Maria Valverde, Juana Acosta among great others. This is a co-production between Spain and Venezuela and it has a budget of $50,000,000. The most expensive and most ambitious south american cinematic production ever made.

 

If my theatre where the movie was playing is any indication, this is going to score big numbers on opening weekend. But I am not so sure because local movies are more about legs than opening weekend so I guess somewhere between $800k and $1m. Not going to guess the total because the legs for local movies are truly unpredictable but I have hopes because its a really darn good movie.

 

Here is the trailer for the movie:

 

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Fantastic. I hope this becomes a huge hit, I like when local movies are the biggest hits of their respective countries

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Yay Venezuela! I'm from Caracas  :)  :)

:o Que bueno chamo!!!

 

I am from Guatire, but my university is in Caracas.

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Top 10 for the weekend of July 24-27:

 

1.- Cómo entrenar a tu dragón 2 (How to Train Your Dragon 2) (Fox) (58,000+ tickets)
2.- Libertador (Cines Unidos) (50,000+ tickets)
3.- Maléfica (Maleficent) (Disney)
4.- Aviones 2: Equipo de Rescate (Planes: Fire & Rescue) (Disney) (36,000+ tickets)
5.- Luna de miel en familia (Blended) (Warner)
6.- X-Men: Días del futuro pasado (X-Men: Days of the Future Past) (Fox)
7.- Amores peligrosos (Gran Cine) (5,000+ tickets)
8.- Las caras del diablo 2 (Cines Unidos)
9.- 3 días para matar (Three Days to Kill) (Cines Unidos)
10.- Río 2 (Fox)
 
 
EDIT: Other sources are saying Libertador actually earned 90,000+ tickets and Dragon 2 earned a little more. If true then Gran Cine is way off with their estimates  :wacko:
 
I will post the dollar numbers as soon as BOM updates the international markets. Analysis coming up tonight...
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Well, Libertador did not take the number one spot as some people where expecting given the massive hype surrounding it but looking at the admissions and twitter response to the movie it was very close. The presence of Edgar Ramirez playing Simon Bolivar and the high production values worthy of a Hollywood movie is the main drive of Libertador and it should have very strong legs (like all local movies do) for the weeks to come in this summer holiday season.

 

How To Train Your Dragon 2 kept the number one spot in admissions (I am sure in dollars as well because of the 3D prices).The staying power of this movie can be attributed to the combination of Summer Vacations and healthy Word of Mouth, a killer combo for any animated movie in this market. It still on pace to dethrone Days of Future Past In total gross.

 

Planes: Fire and Rescue turned out to be the big shock of the weekend... and yet not so shocking at the same time. Despite the great BO the first Planes had in Venezuela, it had very little competition at the time, both Dragon 2 and Maleficent are still the hot ticket and Libertador took major part of the adult audience (Yes, there is adult appeal for animated movies in this market) and the quality of the movie judging from the GA response, critics reviews and box office revenues is not that very good and it should have been direct-to-video. Maybe it will have some decent legs but I dont expect anything great from Planes in this market (or any market for that matter).

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Top 10 for the weekend of July 24-27:

 

1.- Cómo entrenar a tu dragón 2 (How to Train Your Dragon 2) (Fox) (58,000+ tickets)
2.- Libertador (Cines Unidos) (50,000+ tickets)
3.- Maléfica (Maleficent) (Disney)
4.- Aviones 2: Equipo de Rescate (Planes: Fire & Rescue) (Disney) (36,000+ tickets)
5.- Luna de miel en familia (Blended) (Warner)
6.- X-Men: Días del futuro pasado (X-Men: Days of the Future Past) (Fox)
7.- Amores peligrosos (Gran Cine) (5,000+ tickets)
8.- Las caras del diablo 2 (Cines Unidos)
9.- 3 días para matar (Three Days to Kill) (Cines Unidos)
10.- Río 2 (Fox)
 
 
EDIT: Other sources are saying Libertador actually earned 90,000+ tickets and Dragon 2 earned a little more. If true then Gran Cine is way off with their estimates  :wacko:
 
I will post the dollar numbers as soon as BOM updates the international markets. Analysis coming up tonight...

 

Libertador did 58,000 admissions.

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Top 10 for the weekend of July 24-27:

 

1.- Cómo entrenar a tu dragón 2 (How to Train Your Dragon 2) (Fox) (58,000+ tickets)
2.- Libertador (Cines Unidos) (50,000+ tickets)
3.- Maléfica (Maleficent) (Disney)
4.- Aviones 2: Equipo de Rescate (Planes: Fire & Rescue) (Disney) (36,000+ tickets)
5.- Luna de miel en familia (Blended) (Warner)
6.- X-Men: Días del futuro pasado (X-Men: Days of the Future Past) (Fox)
7.- Amores peligrosos (Gran Cine) (5,000+ tickets)
8.- Las caras del diablo 2 (Cines Unidos)
9.- 3 días para matar (Three Days to Kill) (Cines Unidos)
10.- Río 2 (Fox)
 
 
EDIT: Other sources are saying Libertador actually earned 90,000+ tickets and Dragon 2 earned a little more. If true then Gran Cine is way off with their estimates  :wacko:
 
I will post the dollar numbers as soon as BOM updates the international markets. Analysis coming up tonight...

 

 

 

Libertador did 58,000 admissions.

 

Film Opened Thursday 24th admits 25,697 $us369k

weekend Fri-Sun admits63,721 $us953k 

cume admits 89,418 $1.321m

 

Monday  admits 23,169  cume 112,587

 

 

wkend top 5 Fri-Suntitle/screens/$us/admits/%chg1-HTTYD2 108 1.162m/76k -29%2-Liberador 83 953k/64k3-Malef  69  716k/47k -25%4-Pla2  78  595k/40k5-Blended 32 504k/32k -4%

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Wow, Libertador´s opening weekend is the biggest in the history of Venezuela for a local movie. With the kind of reaction I have been seeing on Twitter and the typical leggy legs for local movies are any indication, Libertador will bring Papita, Mani,Tostón down.

 

How To Train Your Dragon 2 had a similar drop like X Men on its second weekend, maybe Libertador took away some of its adult audience but it should have a stronger hold next weekend because August is usually a strong month for this type for movies so Dragon 2 is stil on pace for a $10 million dollar final gross.

 

Impressive holds from both Maleficent and X-Men: Days Of Future Past. Angelina Jolie´s movie oficially crossed the $20 million mark and Bryan Synger´s movie officially passed Captain America 2 in Venezuela.

 

Blended is getting near $3 million, impressive. Planes 2 opened lower than the first one, something that never happens with animated family movies in this market but expected given the competition. Should still have summer legs until Guardians premieres on August 8.

 

The heavy drop from Rio 2 was totally because Planes took screens from the movie but Fox should not complain, $15.6 million in this market is kind of a big deal.

 

Overall a very good weekend.

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Maleficent number is IMPRESSIVE!! It already All-Time #1 and it beats the second film by almost 40%!!! And its run is not over yet!!! :bravo:

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Maleficent number is IMPRESSIVE!! It already All-Time #1 and it beats the second film by almost 40%!!! And its run is not over yet!!! :bravo:

What was the previous record?

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What was the previous record?

 

Rio 2 in dollars, Papita, Mani, Tostón in admissions.

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INSANE run for Maleficent in Venezuela. LatAm is truly the new hot spot for Hollywood. And seriously, $50m budget for a local production? I'm glad to see that but surely it's not cost effective. How does that ever turn a profit save serious governmental incentives?

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  TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Gross Change Screens Change / Avg. Gross-to-Date Week 1 1 How to Train Your Dragon 2 Fox $1,145,408 -30.4% 101 -6 $11,341 $4,644,653 2 2 N Libertador n/a $933,915 - 77 - $12,129 $1,322,639 1 3 2 Maleficent Disney $701,313 -25.0% 69 -3 $10,164 $21,431,801 9 4 N Planes: Fire & Rescue Disney $579,032 - 73 - $7,932 $1,220,747 1 5 4 Blended WB $496,983 -5.3% 29 - $17,137 $2,953,555 4 6 3 X-Men: Days of Future Past Fox $420,336 -33.7% 60 -12 $7,006 $10,692,472 6 7 7 3 Days to Kill n/a $53,181 -47.7% 12 -4 $4,432 $1,137,763 5 8 5 Rio 2 Fox $50,820 -63.3% 32 -5 $1,588 $15,554,855 13 9 14 Las Caras Del Diablo 2 n/a $43,874 +10.2% 8 +1 $5,484 $721,474 6 10 11 Heaven is for Real Sony $28,799 -51.3% 5 -3 $5,760 $322,007 4 11 17 Papita, maní, tostón n/a $22,642 +7.0% 4 -2 $5,661 $15,502,608 32 12 13 The Other Woman (2014) Fox $21,869 -58.4% 6 -7 $3,645 $1,522,913 8 13 6 The Games Maker Disney $19,499 -81.4% 5 -16 $3,900 $1,233,515 4 14 10 Edge of Tomorrow WB $19,116 -70.4% 10 -5 $1,912 $2,901,597 8 15 19 Pelo malo n/a $16,323 +6.7% 2 - $8,162 $2,415,347 15 16 20 L'amour dure trois ans n/a $16,206 +19.1% 2 -1 $8,103 $298,503 9 17 8 Homefront n/a $16,077 -76.2% 5 -7 $3,215 $462,507 4 18 9 Draft Day n/a $15,112 -77.4% 3 -4 $5,037 $241,692 3 19 18 Corpus Christi n/a $14,072 -18.0% 6 - $2,345 $267,549 7 20 15 Divergent n/a $12,137 -59.6% 4 -3 $3,034 $2,833,173 10 21 12 Tarzan (2013) n/a $11,752 -77.9% 15 -12 $783 $1,615,612 7 22 26 Les adieux à la reine (Farewell, My Queen) n/a $10,638 +131.2% 1 - $10,638 $39,596 2 23 21 Devil's Due Fox $7,230 -40.1% 4 -1 $1,808 $530,658 7 24 22 Instructions Not Included n/a $4,403 -47.0% 1 -2 $4,403 $1,092,226 23 25 25 Noah UIP $3,889 -25.1% 2 - $1,945 $3,602,072 12 26 28 Godzilla (2014) WB $2,468 -7.7% 2 +1 $1,234 $3,308,721 11 27 24 Oculus n/a $1,587 -75.0% 2 - $794 $608,849 11 28 23 Lone Survivor n/a $1,403 -81.3% 1 -4 $1,403 $361,161 9 29 29 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Sony $720 -59.2% 2 -2 $360 $7,335,251 14  < Prev Wk Currency: Return to IndexUS DollarsVenezuelan Bolivar Fuente Next Wk > 

 

 

$21m for Maleficent, crazy :o

Given what you said about Libertador I expected much bigger number, how could they be profitable with such a budget?

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