Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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IndustriousAngel

BO Germany/Austria: WonderWoman opens to #1 with mediocre numbers

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Germany, Austria and the german-speaking Part of Switzerland are one of the biggest overseas markets for Hollywood, with about 95 million inhabitants. Of course the French watch more films per year, but in Germany Hollywood films have a far bigger market share (most films are dubbed), usually exceeding 70% and sometimes reaching 80%, while they rarely reach 50% in France.BoxOfficeMojo lists Germany, Austria and Switzerland separately, but in fact those german-speaking areas form a single market, worked by the same distributors (and partly theater-chains), using the same opening dates and sharing a very similar demographic. The biggest distributors are UIP (=Universal+Paramount), Warner, Disney, Sony International, 20th CF, and local distributor/producer Constantin (with some sub-units).Germany + Austrians pay in EUR; the Swiss in SFR and since everything gets converted to USD for charts like on BoxOfficeMojo, those numbers are in a constant state of uncertainity and flux. Yet Rentrak also counts admissions and those don't wobble around while looking at them, so they're more reliable but don't tell the whole truth, especially with 3D still being a major factor.I'll try to post actual numbers once a week; usually this will be mid-week.

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Germany's + Austria's combined Top 15 2010/2011 in USD  
   

2010

 
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Part One)  71.951.538
Tangled  50.491.401
Inception  40.450.046
Alice in Wonderland (2010)  40.273.664
The Twilight Saga: Eclipse  37.084.481
Despicable Me  30.102.936
Shrek Forever After  29.562.262
Sex and the City 2  28.473.721
Grown Ups  21.791.904
Sherlock Holmes  19.225.732
Toy Story 3  19.369.781
Resident Evil: Afterlife  18.547.371
The Last Airbender  17.763.871
How to Train Your Dragon  17.710.351
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader  17.237.748

2011

 
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Part Two)  85.535.674
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (3D)  70.457.694
The Hangover Part II  48.570.740
Kokowääh  46.233.643
Transformers 3  42.792.941
Puss in Boots  40.029.108
The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1  37.615.731
The Smurfs  34.413.645
Fast Five  30.861.792
The King's Speech  25.996.409
Kung Fu Panda 2  24.485.258
Black Swan  23.637.366
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows  22.616.708
Bad Teacher  21.541.266
Cars2 21.209.442
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in Vienna you can see a movie in 2D or in 3D or IMAXyou can see it in German or in English

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In Switzerland german speaking part Intouchables once again destroyed the competition. It's getting boring:Intouchables -- THG -- Titanic 3D.In the french speaking part the new hit from France -- Sur La Piste Du Marsupilami -- easily was number one and Titanic just number 3:http://www.filmdistr.../top10adm.shtml

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The Marsupilami stories were very popular here too, maybe not on a Smurfs level but if the film's good it might do fine numbers too.

in Vienna you can see a movie in 2D or in 3D or IMAXyou can see it in German or in English

Yep that's true here too (Innsbruck) but only for English (maybe one show a day) and Arthouses where nothing gets dubbed. If 2D is offered depends partly on the distributor - last year Paramount decided to sell Thor and CaptainA only in 3D ... since Avengers is handled by Disney I hope for a better policy, I refuse converted 3D.

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in Vienna you can see a movie in 2D or in 3D or IMAXyou can see it in German or in English

Yeah, those Austrians and their IMAX theatre...Okay, it got it. You have an IMAX theatre, we don't.Now please shut up! :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

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Germany Top Ten 06. - 08. April

TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Change Theaters Th. Change PTA Gross Week
1 1 The Hunger Games  StudioCanal $3,233,394  -8.3%  640 17 $5,052  $13,987,129  3
2 Titanic 3D  Fox  $2,966,067  new 470 $6,311  $2,966,067  1
3 2 Türkisch für Anfänger - Der Film  Constantin  $2,656,893  -7.8%  598 16 $4,443  $15,187,324  4
4 3 Wrath of the Titans  WB  $2,206,736  -17.2%  469 8 $4,705  $5,882,576  2
5 5 Intouchables  Senator  $1,848,798  +24.4%  668 -31 $2,768  $70,935,914  14
6 Mirror Mirror  StudioCanal $1,477,696  new 405 $3,649  $1,477,696  1
7 4 Russendisko  PPI  $1,445,247  -6.9%  434 33 $3,330  $3,683,865  2
8 Iron Sky  Splendid $1,275,767  new 164 $7,779  $1,275,767  1
9 6 The Pirates! Band of Misfits  Sony  $926,617  -32.2%  676 63 $1,371  $3,491,695  2
10 7 The Woman in Black  Concorde  $620,291  -19.1%  277 7 $2,239  $1,731,282  2

In Austria Hunger Games came in behind Titanic, in Switzerland behind Intouchables. Highest PTA: Iron Sky.

Some interesting facts about distributors: "Hunger Games" is distributed by different ones for Germany and Austria (StudioCanal, a french company working with Lionsgate and Miramax, for Germany; Elmo Movie World for Austria - that's a small local company working together with Disney Austria). Maybe this year will see some changes in the distribution business: After some slow years small distributor Senator has a real hit with "Intouchables" and has formed a joint venture with US company "Relativity Media"; from this year on they are exclusive distributors for RMs films. And StudioCanal might profit from Lionsgate's success.

I'll update the numbers as soon as I get details from Austria.

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Ok, I tried to put the weekend sum for Germany + Austria + ger.Switzerland into one table. Since I'm not too sure on ticket prices those are rounded values in USD

The Hunger Games  3.727.000
Titanic 3D  3.650.000
Türkisch für Anfänger - Der Film  3.085.000
Wrath of the Titans  2.726.000
Intouchables  2.259.000
Mirror Mirror  1.895.000
Russendisko  1.445.000
Iron Sky  1.375.000
The Pirates! Band of Misfits  1.272.000
The Woman in Black  884.000

If you compare this to  the table above (only Germany) it's obvious that Germany's numbers already give a decent approximation; just ad about 20% (15 to 25 really) and you're there, so I guess in future weeks I'll just post Germany and mention A + CH only if there's anything interesting.

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Weekend trend Germany:Battleship should win with more than 400k admissions. Mostly steep drops for the holdovers - was to be expected after a very strong easter weekend. Children's films (Pirates and Mirror Mirror) seem to have the best hold on their low level while Titanic3D is sinking faster than expected.

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Damn Intouchables is just crazy. Will THG reach 20m in Germany?

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20m should be doable, by Monday it will be over 16m. Not bad at all for a completely unknown story without stars or major names attached to it.

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Germany + Austria Top Ten 13. - 15. April

TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Change Gross Week
1 N Battleship UPI $4.650.912 - $4.828.305 1
2 2 Titanic 3D  Fox  $2.366.429 -28,9 $7.896.419 2
3 1 The Hunger Games  StudioCanal $2.156.449 -37,5 $19.302.536 4
4 3 Türkisch für Anfänger Constantin $1.958.367 -32,9 $20.515.421 5
5 5 Intouchables  Senator  $1.413.340 -28,6 $80.263.256 15
6 Mirror Mirror  StudioCanal $1.259.154 -26,8 $4.348.873 2
7 9 The Pirates! Sony  $1.186.601 -10,4 $6.311.450 3
8 N The Grey Constantin $1.092.522 - - 1
9 4 Wrath of the Titans  WB  $957.463 -61,7 $8.790.833 4
10 8 Iron Sky  Splendid  $831.910 -41,9 $2.840.831 2

Titanic, Pirates!, Mirror Mirror and Intouchables managed good to decent holds, everything else had big drops (coming from a strong Easter weekend). Especially Wrath collapsed with drops >60%. Pirates! had a weak start but shows perfect legs - yet still might struggle to reach even half the admissions of Chicken Run.

Behind the Top 10 "Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" keeps on doing small but constant numbers. With a little help from Switzerland, John Carter should have crossed $10million.

The coming weekend has no big starts: Among "My Week With Marilyn", "Chronicle", "One for the Money" and "African Cats" plus some local productions, "Chronicle" should have the best start but I doubt if it can break into the Top 3. With "African Cats" it depends on how wide a release Disney is risking; it might crack the Top 10 if it's wide enough.

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Can Hunger Games make 25m? The drops are not very steep at all.

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The drops are small and this weekend there's only "Chronicle" aiming for a similar demographic; however next weekend Avengers will hit it hard. But whatever the final number, it did better than expected - the property was completely unknown here; the sequel should do better.

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Weekend trend:Battleship drops about 55% but stays on top; Titanic drops about 45% and loses Nr.2 to Hunger Games (-40%). Intouchables and Türkisch für Anfänger battle for place 3, Titanic and best opener Chronicle for place 5. Mirror and Pirates have good holds again but coming from already small numbers.

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The Grey bombed :(, and Battleship deserves much more :angry: .

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Germany + Austria Top Ten 20. - 22. April

TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Change Gross Week
1 1 Battleship UPI $2.466.475 -47,0 $8.414.671 2
2 2 Titanic 3D  Fox  $1.338.687 -43,4 $10.117.189 3
3 3 The Hunger Games  StudioCanal $1.284.033 -40,5 $20.985.829 5
4 4 Türkisch für Anfänger Constantin $1.220.486 -37,7 $22.488.457 6
5 N Chronicle Fox $1.064.221 - $1.128.382 N
6 5 Intouchables  Senator  $1.014.765 -28,2 $82.259.521 16
7 Mirror Mirror  StudioCanal $ 631.361 -49,9 $5.237.908 3
8 9 The Pirates! Sony  $ 593.161 -50,4 $7.010.397 4
9 N One for the Money Concorde $ 570.609 - $1.003.778 N
10 10 Iron Sky  Splendid $568.783 -30,8 $3.728.630 3

"Intouchables" and "Iron Sky" excepted, everything in the Top 10 was either dropping hard or had a weak opening. "African Cats" flopped with few theaters AND a low PTA. "My Week With Marilyn" came in nr. 11, decent numbers.

This Thursday "Avengers" is opening, propably on nr.1, let's hope business picks up speed. The weather is looking to become summery though, so don't expect monster numbers this weekend. "American Reunion", "The Lucky One" and some European films are opening too, maybe AR can crack the Top 3 .

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Your "Anschluß"-charts need getting used to

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Can we expect big numbers in Germany for The Avengers?

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Can we expect big numbers in Germany for The Avengers?

That is what the franchise made before Germany $8,560,475 $2,461,403 $9,254,348 $16,007,303 $4,872,496 Edited by Rudolf

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