This thread is why I barely come here anymore. Nothing but negativity. Flash bombed for reasons that have nothing to do with the health of moviegoing right now. Fingers crossed Elemental can have good legs, excellent and underrated movie.
The recovery is in slow motion. It takes time. But also, I think Black Panther and Captain Marvel overperforming on opening weekend (not to mention the gargantuan success of Endgame and Infinity War) has trained people to believe any comic book movie can attain such heights right out of the gate. That window for Marvel was very special, and was never replicated for DC.
Consider:
Man of Steel - 115m
Dawn of Justice - 166m
Suicide Squad - 135m
Wonder Woman - 103m
Justice League - 94m
Aquaman - 72m
Shazam - 53m
Birds of Prey - 33m
(skipping Wonder Woman 1984 & Gunn's Suicide Squad for COVID reasons)
Black Adam - 67m
It's not a coincidence that the opening weekend returns became lower and lower following Dawn of Justice & Suicide Squad. Audiences did not invest in the DCEU like they did the MCU.
Don't underestimate the incoming reboot factor as a deterrent for some audiences. Also the fact that Justice League (the ONLY DCEU movie featuring Flash) was six years ago and was terrible. Most people haven't seen the better director's cut and think of Ezra's Flash as the fast dude from that terrible movie years ago.
I think it boils down to America's racist past being worse/more recent than some of these other places. Because of that, modern day racism feels worse here than in Europe or Asia. It's perception more than reality. Although, without knowing much about the way it is in Europe or Asia, I tend to think it must be worse here.
I'm not surprised. Mangold is a weird director. When he goes for Oscars (Walk the Line, 3:10 to Yuma, Ford v Ferrari) the results are exceptional. When he goes for broad adventure (Knight & Day, The Wolverine) the reception is typically middling. Logan was so good because he was combining those two modes.
I have doubts about Oppenheimer's chances, not due to quality, but due to the Academy trending away from epic historical films towards smaller modern films. Assuming they're great, would be nice to see the Academy embrace epics like that one and this movie again though.
Such a weird decision of theirs to abandon the franchise structure that got them to the dance. Phase 4 is essentially a random assortment of characters and plotlines. There could've been an interesting throughline via the multiverse stuff, but instead they gave us like 5 different reasons for the incursions, worsening the already fractured nature of the phase.
Writers are a lot like journalists/film critics (who are often writers themselves), they're very sensitive. Only way to explain how they turned a harmless throwaway comment from her into something more.